Reddit Discussion The Ending Of Wolf Of Wall Street 4c584o

Reddit Discussion – Ending of Wolf of Wall Street

I rewatched it the other night, and the first time I saw it I never noticed how odd some of it's cuts are. You'll have one character in motion (e.g. walking out of shot) and the very next shot we see is them stood still, turned round, in the middle of speech as if they've been stood there for a while. Specifically this is shown when Jordan (DiCaprio) is being interviewed (I think). A similar thing happens when his Dad is going mental at Donnie (Hill). He's shouting and reaching for him, being physically held back by Jordan. A split second cut away to Donnie and we cut back to the Dad who is now stood calmly looking at a bill while we hear the chaos is still ensuing in the background. One shot that stood out in particular to me was when Jordan's wife found out he was cheating on him. We've got two singles where Jordan is presented on the left and she on the right. Then, when we get the shot of the two of them together, they've swapped positions. This is of course because the singles were shot from the other side of the duo, but it's still jarring to see them swap positions. Did Scorcese/Prieto do these things on purpose or am I reading too far into it? I just don't feel Scorcese would be so amateur/sloppy about it...

[–]WindexTears 15 pontok 6 nappal ezelőtt

Scorcese is fairly well known for either not caring about continuity or intentionally creating discontinuity. The only films in which I have personally noticed discontinuity are Goodfellas, The Departed, and Wolf of Wall Street. I can't any specific instances of this kind of editing in his other films, but I haven't really watched any of them with the intent of finding these errors either. I think some may argue that it is completely and wholly intentional. Thelma Schoonmaker, his longtime editor, is quoted as saying "He is constantly giving the continuity person notes as he is shooting, so I already have the information when I am looking at the dailies myself. Then he gives me additional information when I am sitting with him. He is incredibly sharp and so tough on himself and has such high standards." Which leads me to believe that it is intentional on Scorcese's part. I didn't search very far for quotes, so it is possible that Scorcese himself has commented on this very question. But I don't love continuity errors in films, intentional or not. They tend to bring me out of a film, they make me see the actor as someone who is acting instead of someone who is being. I understand that this is a choice that some filmmakers make for ideological or thematic purpose,

but I feel there might be better ways to pull the viewer out of the film (and maybe give them a more existential viewing experience, which seems to be an argument for including discontinuity). I don't know, maybe I'm not intellectually evolved enough to appreciate it for what it is, an artistic choice. OR maybe Scorcese is just really fucking lazy. The continuity errors in The Departed are so obvious and numerous. They really make that film my least favorite of the great Scorcese movies. 

permalink [–]el_grande_burrito 6 pontok 5 nappal ezelőtt

I'm not convinced that continuity errors are 'deliberate' per se, I seeing a documentary or something where Scorsese says he found his first cut of the departed terrible. It's possible then that in the process of re-editing it, that he was forced to incorporate continuity errors in order to fix other issues he felt the original cut had before the film got released. Considering this, it's plausible that similar things are what caused continuity errors in his other films. 

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rokon [–]CurryThighs[S] 2 pontok 5 nappal ezelőtt

I barely noticed it in Goodfellas and not at all in The Departed (which is odd, since it's my favourite Scorcese). I think Wolf was the only film that it is a prominent feature in. I totally get what you're saying though. Like I said with the cheating scene it's very jarring and pulls you out of it. I think if it was intentional and there was something he is trying to show it was how chaotic Jordan Belforts world was.  

permalink rokon [–]MasterLawlzScorsese is my waifu 15 pontok 6 nappal ezelőtt

Are you not familiar with the work of Thelma Schoonmaker? She's Scorsese's editor and they've been working together for half a century. She's known for this jagged editing and it got her an oscar for raging bull. In Goodfellas she made the final act edited really awkwardly to emulate how nervous and paranoid Henry felt while on cocaine and getting chased by the cops. They might have been going for a similar effect since the film was about addicts. I would elaborate more but I think /u/WindexTears covered everything else. 

permalink [–]BumblB2na 6 pontok 5 nappal ezelőtt

As someone whose worked on one of his films... a lot of his movies go into production without a complete, or very rough script. He will keep fine tuning it the whole way through (more than other directors), including giving his actors room to improvise. His movies are always made in editing,

and he NEVER shows it to anyone (including the studio and producers), until he and Thelma are satisfied to do so. She is so instrumental to his success that it can't be stressed enough. You can choose to call that 'sloppy' if you want, but it's just how he works. If he spent more time thinking about continuity, who knows what else would be sacrificed. I think that Thelma is just so talented that he knows she'll make it work. 

permalink [–]MasterLawlzScorsese is my waifu 1 pont 5 nappal ezelőtt

You really worked on a Scorsese film? Can you tell us more?  

permalink rokon [–]BumblB2na 4 pontok 5 nappal ezelőtt

It was for Silence, but I was very much on the outside. What I wrote is basically the most information I was able to gather from those who know his process. Only other thing I heard is that the few who have seen brief footage of the movie, consider it to be his most visually striking, and beautiful film (more than Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and so on). One of them thinks it's going to go down as his greatest overall film achievement. I've read the book, and am super stoked for this to come out. He's been wanting to direct it for like 20 years or something. It's very heavy material, and was hard to read at times, but expect this to be a very special movie.  

permalink rokon [–]MasterLawlzScorsese is my waifu 1 pont 5 nappal ezelőtt

Awesome. Did you ever meet the man?  

permalink rokon [–]BumblB2na 1 pont 5 nappal ezelőtt

There never would've been a scenario where he'd come to our office, or I'd be in his, or on set. He's also someone where you kinda just leave him alone, and let him have his full attention on the creative process. Right now he's too preoccupied with Thelma to worry about marketing or a release strategy.  

permalink rokon [–]avi6274 1 pont 5 nappal ezelőtt

Hoy shit, that makes me even more excited for the film! I have been waiting for this movie for a long time. Any other information that you can share?  

permalink rokon [–]kelajes 2 pontok 5 nappal ezelőtt

Every time I watch Shutter Island I see this. There are some weird ass cuts that make the movie feel very awkward at parts, especially with the sounds of each scene. Maybe it's intentional, but every time I watch it, it feels like my copy is broken or something. Anyone else notice this? 

permalink [–]auggiehuffman 2 pontok 4 nappal ezelőtt

I don't where I saw this, but either Scorcese or Schoonmaker said something along the lines of, "The discontinuity represents how the characters are inebriated and they do not have a proper view of the real world." 

permalink [–]jupiterkansas 2 pontok 5 nappal ezelőtt

It's a style borrowed from Italian and French New Wave films that toyed with notions of conventional continuity. It was cool when he was making low budget indie styles films, but kinda jarring in his big budget Hollywood stuff. Comes across as sloppy.