Georgia V. Susan Mccoy: Bond Hearing Transcript 4r186j

IN

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THE MAGISTRATE

rOR THE

COURT

COUNTY

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COBB

GEORG ] A

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STATE OF GEORGIA

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15-W-10338

VS.

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SUSAN JANETTE

MCCOY

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l0 BOND REVOCAT I

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ON

HEARING

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BEEORE THE HONORABLE JUDGE

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MARCH, 2015.

IN

THE ABOVE-STYLED

PHILIP

CASE, HELD

P. TAYLOR, ON THE 17

TH

DAY OE

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AP PEARAIICE

OF

COUI.]SEL:

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FOR THE STATE:

SHARLA JACKSON

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EOR THE DEITENDANT:

MADDOX

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G.

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ROBERT

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COURT REPORTER P.

O.

HALVORSON

BOX 1559

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MARIETTA, GEORGJA 30061

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(

1'ia) 528-8931 I

K

I LGORE

& CARLOS RODP.]GL]EZ

WITNESS INDEX

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TIMOTHY DOUGLAS LEE

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CROSS:

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RED]RECT:

JACKS ON

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MD

KILGORE

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MS.

JACKSON

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MS.

JACKSON

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MR. KILGORE

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MS.

JACKSON

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MICHAEL EMBRY PAR]

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DIRECT:

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PAUL CAMARILLO

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MR. K]LGORE

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MS.

JACKSON

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EURTHER REDIRECT:

MS.

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MS.

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MR. KILCORE

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BETSY MANSTON D] RECT

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DIRECT:

MS.

JAC KS ON

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CROSS:

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REDIRECT:

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MATTHEW I.]ORMAN

THE COURT: SUSAN JANETTE MCCOY.

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(I,^lHEREr,l

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MS. JACKSON:

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POt'l. THE DEEENDAIIT EI.lTERED THE YOUR HONOR/ DO YOU HAVE

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COPY OF THE

STATE'S PETIT]ON?

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THE COURT: YES,

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MS. JACKSON: (BRIEE

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PAUSE

I

AM READING

IT

NOl/.].

OKAY.

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THE COUF,T: ALL RIGHT, THIS

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CCURTROOi,i.

IS

THE CASE OE THE STATE

OF GEORGIA VERSUS SUSAN MCCOY. THIS

IS A PETITION TO

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RF]VOKE BOND BROUGHT BY THE STATE REFEREI]CING SPECIEICALLY

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WARRANT NUMBER

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LF]T YOU GO FIRST.

15-W-10338. IT'S THE STATE'S MOTION; I'LL

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MR. KILGORE: I,JE/RE ASKING FOR THE RULE.

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THE COURT: WHO

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IS

GOING TO BE

A WITNESS IN TH]S

CASE?

MS. .TACKSON: TIM LEE, MICHAEL PARIS. PAUL CALARILLO

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THE COURT: ALL RIGHT/ WHOEVER __

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MS. JACKSON: -- BETSY

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THE COURT: WHOEVER

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HAVE

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NF]ED YOU.

MS.

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NOT GO]NG TO BE CALLED EIRST,

SEAT iT] THE LOBBY FOR

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IS

MANSTON AND MATTHEW NORMAI'1 .

JACI'{SOII

V,]1TI']ESSES,

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ME

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ViE'

LL CALL

YOU }.JHE}I

AIID YOUR HOllOR, BEFORE IrE CALL

] JUST h]ANT TO GIVE YOU THE

WE

THE

BACKGROUND.

YOU PREV]OUSLY HEARD THE ALLEGATIONS OF

TH]S CASE IN

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THE PROTECTIVE ORDER HEARING .UiANT

WE DON'T

FEW WEEKS AGO.

TO GO T]EEP II'ITO THE EACTS. DO YOU NEED

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DO YOU THE FACTS OE THE CASE

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THE COUP.T: SURE.

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MS. JACKSON: -- OR DO WE NEED TO GO BACK INTO

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THE COURT:

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THIS CASE. IT

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YOUR RECORD __

I THINK ] DID -- I DID OTHER

MS. .IACKSON: oKAY.

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THE COURT:

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t OUNDAT]ONAL

-- IF

HEAF.IIJGS IN

TF YOU WANT TO -_ 1T'S

SOUNDS FAMTLIAR, BUT

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THEM?

YOU WANT TO GO INTO SOME

STUFE __

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1"1S. .TACKSON: BASTCALLY

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THE COURT:

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MS. JACKSON: __ THE ALLEGATIONS

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YOU'RE WELCOME

TO, BUT -AP.E THAT THE

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DEFENDANT, SUSAN MCCOY, EXPERIENCED SOME TYPE OF FIRE AT

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HI]R HOUSE. SHE BELIEVED THAT

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EOR HER SPEAKING OUT ABOUT ]SSUES AROI-]}ID THE

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BRAVES' STADIUM BE]NG BUILT

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RF]TALIATION EOR HER BE]ING ANGRY ABOUT THIS BEING DOIIE/ THE

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AI,LEGATIONS ARE, AND THE STATE

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THE DEEENDANT THEN PROCEEDED TO HARASS AND INTIM]DATE

IT

IN

WAS DONE

IN

RETAL]AT]ON

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THE

COBB COUNTY. AND iN

!.i]LL

PF,OVE

AT TRIAL,

STALK SEVEPAI PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE BUILDING OF 21

STADIUM/ INCLIJD]NG _. }^iELL, SAI'1 OLENS/

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GENERAL,

IS

ONE OE THE PEOPLE THAT WAS

THAT AND

THE

TT1E ATTORNEY

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HAS CHARGED THE

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DEFENDANT WITH STALKING H]M.

HlS

STALK]NG INCLLIDED HER SENDING HIM MULTIPLE

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EMAILS, GOII'JG TO HI.S HOUSE.

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HIS HOUSE. ING HIS

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WAS CHARGED T,.IITH STALKING/ AND I"1R. OLENS THEN ENDED

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GETT]t.JG

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MICHAEL PARIS, WHO ACTUALLY LIVES

IS

EROM THE DEFENDANT,

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TANGENT]ALLY INVOLVED

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CHILDREI.I AS

RESULT OF

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SHE

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RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST HER.

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PHOTOGRAPHING OBJECTS INSIt)E

TAKES PLACE

IN

ACTUALLY

IN

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EEI^] DOORS DOWN

PRIVATE CITIZEI'I

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HE'S

ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT

COBB COUNTY.

SHE 1S ACCUSED OE

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SHE h]AS II.]IT]ALLY

CHARCTED I,/ITH

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HARASSING COMMUI.]ICATIONS/ FOIT. SEI..iDING i"lORE THAI.I FIFTY-SIX

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EMAII-S TO MR. PAR]S HARASSING AND ]I.,iT]MIDATING

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OF WHICH INCLUDED THREATS TO DO BODILY INJURY TO

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H]S FAM]LY.

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TARGET PRACTICE

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TO GET TO HIS HOUSE. SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT TAKING

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TARGET PRACT]CE/ IdH]CH SHE TOOK

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THAT SHE TJOULD POSSIBLY TRY TO SHOOT

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HARM TO HI}1.

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HIM,

SOME

HIII

OR

ONE OE THEM ALLEGED THAT SHE WOULD COMMIT

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THAT HE HAD TO HER HOUSE

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IN

b]HICH HE TOOK TC

HiM,

ORDER

MEAN

OR DO BODILY

AETER SHE WAS CAI,LED INTO THE POLICE DEPARTI"{ENT AND

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ASKED NOT TO

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OTHER PELE, SHE THEN CONTII,iUED TO

COMMUI..]I

CATE WITH MF,.

FAR]S, OR ANY OF

EMA]L.

THE

SHE EMAILED

MR. PARIS AN ADD]TIONAL T]ME. EOR U]HICH SHE I/iAS CHARGED 25

TO

WTTH AGGRAVATED STALK]NG.

CHAIRMAN LEE AND MICHAEL PARIS ARE VERY GOOD ERIENDS,

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FACT WHICII

C]NE OT THE

TIlIS

IS

KNOWI'I

INITIAL

TO THE DEFENDANT,

REC]PIENTS TO TH]S

AI.J

D HE WAS ALSO

__ TO THIS _-

OT

COMMUTJICATION.

AS A PUBLIC OEE]CIAL HE EXPECTED TO GET THIS TYPE

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_- TO

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THE COUNTY WOULD BE

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!'JEEK, COMIIUNICATIONS SITARTED AGAII\l FROM THE DEEENDANT.

GET COMMUNICAT]ON EROM CIl'IZENS WHO OPPOSED ACT]ONS

TAKING.

HOI,{EVER, ON

-_ AS OE LAST

THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES WHERE CHAIRMAIJ LEE

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II'] THE POLICE REPORT. THE STATE WOULD BE

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WITNESS

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TWENTY_S1XTH,

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COMMUNICATING !JITH CHA]RMAN

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I.JHICH HAD TAKEN ON

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HII'1.

AT

OUR CASE, AI'']D ON LAST

AT

THE OTHER

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IS

-- LAST F'R]DAY.

A

HARASSING AND INTlMIDATING NATURE

_- IN ADDITION TO THE

E'OR

COMMU}JICATIONS, THE

ALSO ALLEG]NG THAT THE DEEENDANT SHOULD HAVE BEEN

EVALUATED

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GOTTEN lNI,ORI',IATION THAT THE DEFEI\]DANT HAS BEEN

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HOSPITALIZED AT RIDGEVIEW, AND THE STATE

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S]'ATE' S BEL]

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IS

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T

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EEBRUARY

LEE, THE LAST TEXT MESSAGE,

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]N

REA'IMEN'I WE

].ISTED

EOUF O'CLOCK, THE DEEENDANT STARTED

SI]ATE

NOT

IS

CALLIT]G HINI AS A

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OF

AS PART OE HER BOND COND]T]O\IS. THE STATE

EF,

__ IT'S

HAS

THE

Ti.tE STATE' S CONTEI']TION, THAT THE DEEENDANT

COMPLIANCE IA]ITH THE TREATMENT PLAN, OR ANY PT,AN ,

STII,L DON'T

KNOVI

THE EEFECT

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THE OUTCOME OF

THOSE EVALUATIONS. I/iE BELIEVE THAT THE DEEENDANT 1S NOT

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IN A

VERY GOOD MENTAL STATE AND

IS

NOT TAKING MEDICATION

THE STATE ALSO CONTENDS THAT THE

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BECAUSE OE THIS,

IS AT HIGH RISK OE COMMITTING

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THE DEEENDANT

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I,JH]CH COULD INJURE

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HERSELF, AND WE/LL CALL OUR FIRST WTTNESS.

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-- INJURE

OTHER PEOPLE, AS WELL AS

THE COURT: WELL, LET ME HEAR EROM MR. KNOW WHO

IS

DANGEROUS ACTS

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DON,T

GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS.

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ANY OPENIN-G STATEMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE?

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MR. KILGORE: JUST __ JUST BRIEELY,

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THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.

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MR. KILGORE: THE PETITION

PETITION. ]'M

JUDGE.

TO REVOKE

BOND

IS A

FOUR

NOT SAYING THAT MS. MCCOY'S

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PARAGRAPH

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ITTING TO ANYTHING FACTUALLY IN THIS PET]TION, BUT IE

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__ ]F'

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HER BOND.

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WHAT

IS

ALLEGED

IS TRUE,

]E YCU'LL NOTICE,

SHE

THEY ALLEGE

IS

NOT

IN

IN

PARAGRAPH THREE THAT

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SHE'S IN VIOLATION OE BOND CONDITION

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PROHIBTING ]ND]RECT WITH THE VICTIM

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MICHAEL PARIS.

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VTOLATION OF

NUMBER EIGHT,

IN THIS CASE,

WELL/ LET,S LOOK AT THE BOND CONDITION, NUMBER EIGHT;

IN ANY EORM, DIRECT OR

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DEF'ENDANT SHALL HAVE NO

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INDIRECT, WITH ANY VICTIM OR WITNESS IN TH]S CASE,

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lNCLUDtr NO WITH THE VICTIM,/WITNtrSS RtrE'trP.trNCtrD

a,t

i,{ORKPLACE OR SCHOOL.

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THE DEEENDANT

IS TO

HAVE NO WITH THE 8

TO

EOLLO!'iING INDIVI DUALS

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DO YOU SEE !^iHAT

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I, M _-

DO YOU SEE !^JHAT

THE COURT: YES, S]R.

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MR. KILGORE: ALL RIGHT.

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AND SO

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t"1 LOOKING

THE BOND _-

AT, JLtCE,

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THERE ARE NO WITNESSES LISTED

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IN

THAT

clRDER.

HOT{EVER,

IF

YOU TAKE

A

LOOK AT THE WARRANT ECR

15_W-10338, WHICH IS ALL WE'RE

]T

HERE

LOOK AT THAT. ON THE BACK

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FRONT

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C],AYTON STARHOF,I']. THOSE ARE BOTH

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OEFICERS,

IT LISTS THE I,\]ITNESSES:

OKAY

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FOR/ IF YOU TAKE A

_'ctr vELISTS __ ^p rv

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THOSE ARE BOTH POLICE

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.Trur. e.r^.itr,

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MCCOY COMMUNICATED

IN

ANY WAY WITH

THAT VIOLATES HER

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HER BOND,

SOMEHOW

TlM LEE.

IE MS.

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SOMEHOVJ

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THINK __ I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH JUST SETTLF]S THAT

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ALLEGAT I ON

CI]

'l THf

OEFICER KENNEDY AND JAMES

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BOND

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DOES

BY --

THAT

NOT. SO,

T

.

FARACRAPH

IS

__ I}]

PARAGRAPH FOUR

THAT THE DEFEI{DANT

]S A

S]]E _-

AT

L

SHE'-C

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II']DICATING

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COMMUN]TY AND HAS DEN1OIJSTRATED IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR, AND

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ALL THAT, S BEING ALLEGED IS APPARENTLY THAT SHE WENT

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THE DlSTF.ICT ATTORNEY'S OEEICE AND HAD

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AN EMPLOYEE THERE. ] DON'T SEE

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ABOUT THAT

IS __

HOW

VIOLATES HER BOND.

DANGER TO THE

A

TO

CO}]VERSATION WITII

THAT'S --

HOW ANYTH]NG

WE'RE CERTA]NLY NOT ON ANY NOTICE OF ANY OTHER

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IS

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ALLEGATION THAT SHE SAYS

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PART]CULARLY, SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HER EVALUAT]ON.

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I.JELL, PRETR]AL KNOhIS ALL ABOUT HER EVALUATION SITUATION.

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THAT'S NOT BEEN PLED HERE, SO WE'RE NOT HERE ON THAT

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TODAY. SO.

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ANYTHING ABOUT THAT MATTER.

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OBJECT TO ANY __

MORE DETAIL

COURT WANTS TO KNOW, BUT BOTTOM

IF THERE'S

ANYTHING THE

LINE IS, I THINK THAT IT

SHOULD BE PRETTY SHORT AND SWEET.

THE COURT: DO YOU KNOW

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WE WOULD OBJECT TO

SO, I CAN GO INTO

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VIOLATTNG HER BOND COND]TIONS.

FOR

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IF THIS IS

SCHEDULED EOR

--

PRETRIAL BOND REVOCATION?

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MR. KILGORE: IT' S

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THE COURT: OKAY.

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MR. KILGORE: AS EAR AS PRETR]AL, S CONCERNED, SHE,S

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IN

NOT.

COMPLIANCE.

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THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, FIRST b]ITNESS.

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MS. JACKSON: I

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WAS GO]NG TO CALL

GO]NG TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE PRETR]AL OEFICER EIRST.

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THE COURT: OKAY.

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MS. JACKSON: MR. LEE,

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MR. LEE, BUT ],M

GO]NG TO CALL

MS. BETSY

COULD YOU STEP OUTSIDE AND

I/M

MANSTON.

MR. KILGORE: WEI-L/ I'M GOING TO OBJECT TO THAT. I'M

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GOING TO ASK THAT MR. LEE BE CALLED

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IS, HE SAT IN

EIRST, AND THE REASON

HERE DURING THE OPENING STATEMENT. 10

THE COURT: YES/ YOU PROBABLY NEED TO CALL HIM EIRST

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SINCE HE SAT THROUGH THE OPENING

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REMARKS.

MS. JACKSCN: I,dELL, HE, S NOT __

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THERE,

S NO

REASON WHY

HF I,{OULD COMMUN]CATE !{ITH ANY OF THE OTHER WITNESSES '

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THE COURT: r'iELL, I-ET'S

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-- LET'S

NOT MUDDY

IT

UP-

HE __

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MS.

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THE COURT:

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MS.

JACKSON:

JACKSON:

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MR. LEE.

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THE COURT:

THAT'

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S

EINE

.

SAT THROUGH THE OPENING

REMARKS

THAT'S TINE/ I'LL CALL MR. LEE.

CCME ON

UP, SIR.

TIMOTHY DOUGLAS LEE,

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HAVING BEEN FIRST DULY SWORN/ WAS EXAMINED AND TESTIFIED AS

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FOLLOWS

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DIRECT EXAMINAT I ON

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BY MS. JACKSON:

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STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. A

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TIMOTHY DOUGLAS LEE

HOW

ARE YOU EMPLOYED?

I'M

CHAIRMAN OE THE COBB COUNTY BOARD OE

AND DID YOU HAVE AN OCCAS]ON TO RECEIVE TEXT MESSAGES FROM

A SUSAN

A

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IS T]M __

COMMISSIONERS.

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MY NAME

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MCCOY?

IN THE

PAST

I'VE

RECETVED SEVERAL, BUT MOST RECENTLY

RECEIVED ABOUT FOUR OE THEM, BEGINNING E'EBRUARY TWENTY-SIXTH.

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AND

MESSAGES?

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LUNCH' AND THE}'I THE EIRST ONE WAS TO INVITE ME TO A -- A PICTURE' ASKING ME TO HAVE A SECOND ONE WAS TO PRESENT

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BLESSED SLTNDAY.

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THE

THE THIF'D ONE WAS THEN

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A TEXT THAT SPOKE TO

HER

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COMMISSION INTENT TO SPEAK AT EVERY COBB COUNTY

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|,IEE?iI]G. AF.C MEETING. U}ITII, SUCH TII'IE THAT SHE COULD BE

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INTO -_ SITUATED BACK INTO HER

PEAC E F'UL DAY

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OWN HOME.

THE EOURTH WAS A}JOTHER PICTLIRE ASKING ME TO HAVE A

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PUT

.

AND T,{HAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO YOUR RECE]VING THESE

TEXT

I,IESSAGES

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T'T' --

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MR. KILGORE

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THE

PARDON ME?

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MR. K l LGORE

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THE COURT:

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GO AHEAD

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THE

I,{

I TNES

S

OBJECT.

HIS

REACTION ISN'

T

RELEVAI..]T.

WELL, I'M GOING TO OVERRULE THAT.

.

WI TI.,JES S

MY

__ MY REACTION

WAS THAT

THIS _- THIS

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.IEXT THAT

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..PE.A-K, Id.AS ONE THA.T SUCH SHE I^TAS TRYII'JG TO INTIM]DATE }iE

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II.JTO ]NFLUE]I..]CING HER

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'fHAT SHE l^lOLlLD CONTII]Utr TO

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Ah]D INTI}lIDATE UNTlL

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THAT.

__ SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT

TALKED ABOUT COMING TO

ABILITY TO GET BACK TO HER HOME. S

HOI,.j

AND

UP AT MtrtrTINGS AND HARASS

] DID SOI"IETH]IIG TO TRY TO INFLUENCE

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HAD HAD EXPERIENCE W]TH HER

]N THE

PAST

AT THE ATLANTA

AT

PUBLIC

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HEARING MEETINGS, SPECIF]CALLY

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COMMISSION,

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WAS ASKED REPEATEDLY TO STOP SPEAKING, EOLLOWING THE RULES

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OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKING, WH]CH SHE IGNORED AND CONTINUED

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RAISE HER VOICE, AND ACTUALLY GET LOUDER IN THAT

HEARD TO SOME DEGREE THAT SHE HAD HAD

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I CHAIR,

WH]CH SHE

A

I

HAD

__ HEARD.

(BY MS. JACKSON) WHAT DID YOU DO __

Q

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TO

REGARD.

MR. KILGORE: I AM GOING TO OBJECT TO WHAT HE

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THE COURT: THAT WOULD BE HEARSAY.

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Q

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(BY MS. JACKSON) WHAT DTD YOU DO AS

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RESULT OE WHAT

YOU HEARD?

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COMMITTING MEET]NG WHICH

BASED ON MY OWN PERSONAL H]STORY, THE TACT THAT

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A

REGIONAL

I{HAT

I DID WAS ]

DIRECTED THE COUNTY MANAGER TO

SECURE THE THIRD E'LOOR OF MY BUILD]NG WHERE

I SIT

ON.

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I

ALSO ASKED EOR POLICE ROTAT]ON AROUND MY

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I

ALSO WORKED WTTH AN ESCAPE PLAN FOR MY FAMII,Y AND

IN A V]DEO

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PUT

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THINGS

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GENERAL

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SYSTEM AVA]LABLE.

]

SURVE]LLANCE SYSTEM

IN

MY HOME BECAUSE OE THE

HEARD THAT HAPPENED WITH CHAIRMAN OLENS

OLENS. I

THOUGHT

IT

AWARENESS

__

WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE

AND BASICALLY WE'VE BECOME AT

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HOME.

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OR ATTORNEY

A

VIDEO

H]GHER LEVEL OF

AS TO YOUR SURROUND]NGS EVERYWHERE WE GO BECAUSE

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THE EEEL]NG THAT __ THAT

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WHERE'S THE END

WE'

RE NOT QUITE SURE THAT TO

LINE IN THIS -- IN THIS 13

CONVERSATION.

__

TO

OF

SO THE EMA]LS, PAST EXPERIENCE/ LED ME TO TAKE ACTION

I

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TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT MY __ MY AND MY FAMILIES ARE SAFE,

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I

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HOME/ KNOW]NG THAT HER HOME

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MR. PARIS AS WELL.

THEN

--

BECAUSE SHE INDICATED SHE WANTED TO GET BACK

IS

NEAR MR.

PARIS, I

SHARED

MR. KILGORE: JUDGE, I'M GOING TO OBJECT. I'M

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A POLITICAL

SPEECH, AND

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TO OBJECT TO

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COURT DIRECT COUNSEL TO ASK

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QUEST]ON AND ANSWER THE WAY h]E DO

ON THE

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MAKE

A

A

I

HER

IT I{ITH

GOING

WOULD ASK THAT THE

QUESTION, AND THAT WE DO A

IT IN

COURT/ NOT

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NOT

NOT ON THE CAMPA]GN TRAIL.

MS. JACKSON: WE __

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WE WOULD ASK THAT THE DEEENSE

LEGAL OBJECTION.

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THE COURT:

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MR. KILGORE:

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THE COURT:

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GO AHEAD

DON,T THINK THAT, S

A

LEGAL OBJECTION.

EORM OF THE QUESTION.

I,M

GOING TO OVERRULE

IT.

.

(BY MS. JACKSON) GO AHEAD; CONTINUE, MR. LEE.

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A

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SO THE BOTTOM L]NE

IS THAT I

WAS

--

RECENT

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COMMUNICATION AND THE PAST HTSTORY, AND KNOWING WHAT/

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DONE

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BEING INTIMIDATED,

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CONTINUED TO BE HARASSED, AND AS SUCH, EVEN TODAY,

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MAKE SURE THAT

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OVER WHAT

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IN

AND

S

AT OTHER ELECTED OEEICIAL'S OFFICE. I EELT THAT I

]

]

]

WAS

__ ]

DO I,iHATEVER

BEEN I.JAS

WAS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE

I

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] STT __ I

CAN TO BE AWARE OF MY SITUAT]ON

NORMALLY DO,

AGA]N, KNOWING

I'M A

PUBL]C OEEICIAL, t4

]'M

GOING TO BE

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SUBJECT TO PEOPLE WANTING TO TALK TO

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DEGREE,

IE I

HAD ANY OF THIS K]ND OT EXPER]ENCE.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE

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ME, BUT NOT TO THIS

]T INDICATED SHE WANTED TO GET

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INTO HER HOME, AND I KNEW SHE __ KNOW SHE L]VED NEAR MR. PARIS.

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I

ADVISED H]M THAT SHE WAS APPROACHING ME TO TRY TO

MR. KILGORE: I DON,T

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KNOW HOW THAT WHATEVER HE

ADVISED MR. PAR]S COULD POSS]BLY BE RELEVANT, JUDGE. THE WITNESS:

8

9

--

I

WOULD

__ HAD CONCERN

EOR

HIS

WELL

BEING.

10

THE COURT: YOUR RESPONSE, MA,AM?

11

MS. JACKSON: ACTUALLY, WHAT HE -. PART OF

WHY HE,S

HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. PARIS. HE'S

12

HERE

IS

13

-- I

I/iAS ACTUALLY GOING TO FOLLO!{-UP

14

TO EXPLAIN THE RELAT]ON

15

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN H]M AND MR. PARIS, AND WHY MR. PARIS

16

WOULD HAVE HAD

17

BETORE WE WERE INTERRUPTED BY THE DEEENSE.

BECAUSE OF

A

__

!{ITH

ANOTHER QUESTION

HAVE H]M EXPLAIN THE

REASON TO KNOW ABOUT THESE TEXT MESSAGES,

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT

18 19

QUEST ION

20

Q

.

(BY MS. JACKSON) WHAT

IS

YOUR RELAT]ONSHIP WITH MR.

IS IT HE I^JOULD KNOW ABOUT THESE

2l

PARIS, AND

22

A

23

GROWTH

a,l

BOARD OF COMMISSTONERS EREQUENTLY. WE SEE EACH OTHER

25

EVENTS

HOi^]

MY

-- ] __ I'VE

KNOWN

TEXT MESSAGES?

__ HE WORKS WITH COMMUNITY

WITI] HIS ORGANIZATION THAT HAS INTERACTION WITH TI]E

AT

ALL THE TIME. ]/VE HAD OCCASION TO BE AT HTS HOME

PUBLIC

I

SEVERAL T]MES AND VIS]TED I,dITH HIM AND

2

AND

3

]NCIDENCE, SPECTFICALLY BECAUSE OE THE ISSUES THAT OCCURRED AT

4

HER HOUSE EARLIER/ AND THE LOCATION ASSOC]ATED WTTH THAT.

I

WAS AWARE OE

BECAUSE

5

H]S WIEE AND HIS EAMILY,

HIS PROXIMITY OE HIS

I

KNEW THAT

HOME TO THE MCCOY

MR. *- THAT THE RESTRAINING

ORDER

6

AGAINST HER TO MR. PAR]S, THE INDICAT]ON THAT SHE WANTED TO

7

BACK INTO HER HOME,

8

THAT ON

9

MESSAGES WITH H]M.

10 11

t2 l) 14

HIS

Q

OWN

I FELT MR. PARIS

NEEDED TO DO

__

GET

KNOW ABOUT

ACCORD. SO. THAT'S WHY ] SHARED THE TEXT

AND WHAT PO]NT

__

WHEN DTD YOU SHARE THE TEXT

MESSAGES WTTH HIM?

A

SHORTLY AETER RECEIVING

SPECIFICALLY, BUT SHORTLY

THEM. ]

DON'

T



AETERWARDS.

ALL RIGHT.

Q

MS. JACKSON: ]

15

KNOW YOU,

RE

__

YOU HAVE COPIES OE

16

THEM ON YOUR PHONE, AND JUST EOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD

1i

I'M

18

TO CALL THEM ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

GOING TO SHOW YOU THESE STATE'S

EXHIBITS. I'M

GOING

MR. KI]-CORE: I,M GOING TO OBJECT. THESE ARE CLEARLY

l9 20

INCOMPLETE. ]E YOU TAKE A LOOK, IT STARTS IN THE MIDDLE

2l

OE

A

SENTENCE.

MS. JACKSON:

22

YOUR HONOR, WE'RE

--

THESE ARE THE

--

23

1/M GOINC TO HAVE THE WITNESS AUTHENTICATE THESE EXHIBITS.

24

WEI

25

HONOR, AND THE DEFENSEI THE TEXT MESSAGES ON

RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE OUR I^IITNESS ACTUALLY SHOW YOUR

16

HIS

CELL

1

PHONE. 1T WAS D]EEICULT TO GET EXACT SCREEN SHOTS OF

2

_-

EXACT SCREE}I SHOTS OE THE COMPLETE TEXT IqESSAGES, BUT

3

WE

WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE

4

MAY

I

5

THE

COI:]RT

7 8

: ALL RIGHT, I'M

GO AHEAD.

GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT'

MARKED STATE'S EXHIBITS OI.JE, TWO A}.]D IT] LJ

trM

DT

THREE. CAN YOU

THE FIRST PAGE

IS

RECEIVED ON FRIDAY N]GHT, AND THE ONE THAT

ll

MORN

IDEI.]TIEY

I

NUMBEF. TWO

RECEIVED OI'] SUNDAY

]S

THE MAJORITY OF THE TEXT THAT

RECEIVED ON TUESDAY MORN]NG, MARCH F]RST.

t4

AND THEN NUMBER THF.EE

15

FROM MARCH

l6

TEXT

!.IRST, AND A

THAT

I

O

AND SO

IS THE BALANCE OE THAT TEXT

PHOTOGRAPH AI'JD

__ THAT --

PART OF A

RECE]VED LATER THAT SAME DAY.

]

GUESS

I MIXED __ I MIXED THE

ORDER UP A

l8

L]TTLE BIT, BUT ARE THOSE PHOTOGF.APHS

19

OE THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE DEFENDANT?

20 21

22

I

I NG .

12

17

BEEN

THE MAJORITY OF THE TEXT THAT

l0

13

S

trAqtr?

A

9

COMPLETE.

APPROACH THE WITNESS?

(BY MS. JACKSON)

Q

6

THE

A

THE PHOTOGRAPHS

MI-sSIiiG, BUT THE

Q

?3

--

THERE

COMPLETE

_- THERE'S

PHCTOGRAPHS ARE IN'TACT.

CAN

I,^JE

SEE YOUR

AND

]T

STAP.TS HERE ?

PHONE

24

A

THIS IS lHE FlRSl

25

0

OKAY.

,

TEXT.

PLEASE

?

RE PRESEI,]TAT

SOME WORDS

] ONS

I

A

AND THEN THIS.

2

Q

ALL RIGHT.

3

MS. JACKSON:

4

THE COURT: SURE.

YOUR HONOR, MAY

I

APPROACH?

(BY MS. JACKSON) AND HAVE WE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS

5

Q

6

IN THE PAST ?

7

A

YES.

8

Q

AND WOULD YOU EXPECT TO TESTIEY AS

9

STATE

IN THIS

A

YES.

1l

Q

WHAT

13

TO MR. PARI

A

I

DID YOU DO AETER YOU

TEXT

MESSAGES

DIRECTED MY COUNTY MANAGER TO SECURE THE THIRD

FLOOR. I ADVISED THE

15

ADVISED THE SHERIEE, S OEFICE;

16

MCCOY !,iAS

t7

ADV] SED OF WHO SHE

IN

I

SHOWED THOSE

S?

14

18

WITNESS EOR THE

CASE?

l0

12

A

CASE

COBB COUNTY POL]CE DEPARTMENT,

I

INFORMED MY STATE

WHO

AS TO

THE EVENT SHE WERE TO SHOW UP ON MY ELOOR. U]AS

WHO MS. BE

.

SECURED VIDEO SECURITY FOR MY HOME AND WORKED ON A

I

19

SAFETY PLAN FOR MY FAM]LY, AND

20

COMM]SS]ON THAT MS. MCCOY INDICATED SHE WOULD BE SPEAK]NG

2t

AT __ AT THE ATLANTA REGIONAL

22

ALERTED THOSE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE.

23

ADVISED THE ATLANTA REGIONAL

COMMISSION AS

WELL.

DOWN

MORE OR LESS

I ADVISED MR. PARIS THAT SHE HAD R.EFERENCED BEINC __

HIS __

IS

AROUND THE CORNER.

24

MOVING BACK INTO

25

AGAIN, BEING M]NDEUL OF THE RESTRICTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH

HER HOME, !^JHICH

18

THAT

I 2 ')

S]TUATION, I EEL]] IT I,{AS IMPORTANT HE

Q

DID YOU EEEL HEF, iilTEllT ''tlAS iiiJ SEliDil'iG

WHAT

MESSAGE TO YOU ABOUT THE S]TUATION

THAT

AT HER HOUSE?

MR. KILGORE: THAT -_ THAT CALLS EOR SPECULATION,

1 5

KNOW THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, JUDGE.

MS. JACKSON:

6 7

]S

8

V,]HAT

9

NOT BE -_

PEREECTL' ABLE

__ A

HE

TO

WITNESS OR VICT]M

__ A

TALK ABOUT WHAT THE]F. BELIEF

THE DEFE}IDANT' S I]']TENT

!^JAS

.

IT' S NOT A --

WI'INESS

IS

THAT

OE VJOULD

MR. KILGORE: IT'S TRYII,JG TO GET INTO HER MII.ID,

l0 l1

.TUDGE. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY BENIGN. AND -_ AND I'M GOI}JG

t)

OB.-TECT

TO HII"I SPECULATING ON SOMETHING.

JJ

I'1S.

.lACKSOI']

IT'S

VERY CLEAR __

14

MR. KILGORE

IT'S

CLEARLY NOT AN APPROPR]ATE

l-5

QUESTION.

t6

MS.

l7

.TACKSON

HE CAN TALK

ABOUT

TAKING CERTAIN

ACTIONS __

l8

MR. KI LGORE

WELL __

l9

MS.

__

20

MR. KILGORE

.IACKSON

ABOUT' CERTAIN TH]NGS.

YOU CAN HEAR ABOUT THAT ACTION, AND

-_ HE __

21

I,LL

32

TALKING ABOUT GETTING TNTO THE ViOMAN'S MIND

23

CI-EAPLY NOT .AN APPROPRTATE QUESTION,

QUESTION HIM ABOUT THAT, BUT HE

MS. JACKSON: AND ACTUALLY, FOR THE

24 25

TO

IT'S

'1'HLJ

T^]E'RE

NOInl

.

THAT'S

PURPOSES OE BOND,

['E/\R AND -LN'.1'-LMlI]AT]ON THAT I4ITNESSES EEEL, WH]CH 19

IS

I

IS

2

WITH VICTIMS OR I1JITNESSES.

3

BELIEE OE THE DEEENDANT,S INTENT, ]S ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT

4

IN THIS

WHY ONE OE THE BOND CONDIT]ONS

THAT THEY NOT HAVE

SO, MR. LEE,S ]NTENT,

CASE.

5

MR. KILGORE: ACTUALLY, JUDGE. WHAT MATTERS IS,

6

SHE VIOLATE THE BOND CONDITIONS? THAT'S WHAT'S RELEVANT,

7

NOT WHATEVER HE THOUGHT ABOUT SOME

MS. JACKSON: AND THE

8

9

__

SOME __

BOND CONDITIONS WOULD BE THE

DEFENDANT'S ATTEMPT TO INELUENCE, HARASS, OR INTIMIDATE

__

DIRECT OR INDIRECT

10

WITNESSES, BY HAVING INDIRECT

1l

I,"JITH ANY OE THOSE VTCTIMS OR

12

THE PURPOSE FOR SETTING SUCH BOND CONDITIONS. THE COURT: WELL,

l3

WITNESSES. THAT IS

] TH]NK HE CAN TESTIEY AS TO WHAT THIS, BUT I DON'T

14

ACTIONS HE TOOK WHEN HE RECEIVED

15

HE CAN TESTY TO WHAT HER __ WHAT HER INTENT

16

GOING TO SUSTAIN THE OBJECT]ON.

t7

MS. JACKSON:

18

NOTH]NG FURTHER OF THIS WITNESS.

l9

THE COURT: CROSS EXAMINATION.

22

KNOW

WAS. I,M

OKAY.

CROSS EXAMINAT I

20 21

DTD

ON

BY MR. KILGORE:

Q

OKAY, AND MR. LEE. YOU __ YOU SAID YOU WERE ON

PRIOR trMAILS trROM MS.

MCCOY?

24

A

TEXTS, YES.

25

Q

EMAILS AND TEXTS. 20

SOME

IE

WHEI..I

I

--

WHEN

2

A

I

3

O

ALL F.IGHT.

4 5

DON/

DID YOU RECEIVE

T RECALL, SIR.

IVE

SOME I I'J OCTOBER OE TWO THOU SAND

!^IELL, DI D YOU

P,ECE

MS. JACKSON:

YOUR HONOR,

EI FTEEN?

6

--

BEING

8

THE PURPOSES OE THE BOND

o

]NTO ANYTHIIIG OUTSIDE OE THE

GO]NG TO OBJECT TO

I'M

AS __

IHIS

FOR

GOING

TO OBJECT TO HTM GOING

SCOPE

OE WHAT WE NEED TO

DO

rOR THt BOND HEAPINC.

11

l.'lR. KILGORE :

12

l.ls. JACKSON: HE IS

l3

I'M

WE HAVE KEPT THE INQU]RY VERY NARROW

7

l0

THOSE?

AND

I -GOING OUTSIDE

Or

SCOPE OF THE

DIRECT EXAI'{IT]ATION.

MR. KILGORE: AND I WOULDN'T QUESTION HIM ABOUT IT,

14

IT UP.

IN D]RECT.

15

EXCEPT THEY BROUGHT

t6

TESTII-IED, YES, ] PECEIVED OTHER EMAILS AND TEXTS FP,OI{

t7

]N THE

19

GEORGIA, SO

20

SOME POINT

21

GO AHEAD

]'LL

IT

Q

IS

HER

PRETTY BROAD iN

GO AHEAD AND ALLOW SOME OT

DOESN'T BECOME RELEVAIIT. SO/

IT,

BUT AT

I'LL LET

YOU

I{ITH THE INITTAL INQU]RY.

l'IR. KILGORE:

22

HE

PAST.

THE COURT: CROSS EXAMINATION

t8

23

THTS CAME OUT

SURE

.

I THINK I CAtt GET RIGHT TO IT

(BY MR. KILGORE) DO YOU HAVE AIIY IDEA

HOW MANY

24

EMAILS OP. TEXTS YOU RECE]VED EROM MS. MCCOY PREVIOUS TO

l5

EOUR THAT YOU'VE D]SCUSSED?

2l

.

THESE

1

A

NO, SIR, I DON'T

2

O

OKAY.

WAS

l

IT

MORE THAN TWENTY

4

A

I DON'T

5

Q

ALL RIGHT. WAS

6

]T

MORE THAN ONE

A

I BELIEVE

8

Q

OKAY.

WAS

IT

?

RECALL,

7

o

RECALL.

?

SO,

MORE THAN TEN

?

i0

A

I DON'T

11

Q

AND SO WHATEVER THEY WERE, THEY WERE

RECALL.

t2

INCONSEQUENT]AL YOU DON'

13

CORRECT ?

A

14

SIR. I

T

CTD

EVEN HOW MANY YOU GOT,

GET THOUSANDS OF EMAILS AND TEXTS OVER THE

TIME. ] DON'T

15

COURSE OE

16

INDIVIDUAL, OR WHEN THEY DO. THOSE

17

WE'VE MOVED

18

THESE BEGINNlNG OF EEBRUARY TWENTY_SIXTH WHERE

ON.

SO

RECALL HOW MANY ARE SENT TROM EACH WERE HANDLED

AT THE TIME.

THINGS WERE PROCEEDING NICELY, UNTIL

l9

OKAY.

20

ALi RIGHT,

IT

I

GOT

CAME BACK UP.

SO HOWEVER MANY YOU GOT, TEN/ TWENTY,

21

I.T!..Iv^

HUNDRED, HOW MANY EMA]LS OR TEXTS YOU GOT EROM HER,

22

NOT

D]D YOU EVER NOT]TY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

23

COME UP HERE TO MAGISTPATtr COURT TO SEEK

ONCE

24

A

PERSONALLY?

25

O

OKAY

.

NO, I DID

NOT.

A

WARRANTI DTD YOU?

OR

DID YOU HAVE MICHAEL _. DID YOU

1

2

CONE UP HERE AND GET

3

A

NC. SIR.

4

Q

OKAY.

I,iARRANT ]NSTEAD?

SO WHATEVER HAPPENED

5

IT

]N THE PAST/ AS EAR AS YOU WERE

CERTAINLY DIDN'T WARRANT HAVING POLlCE

6

CCNCERNED,

7

INVOLVEMENT, CORRECT

?

NO. SIR, THAT'S NOT bIHAT I SAID. SIF., WHAT ] SAID

8

9

A

ASK MICHAEL PARIS TO

WAS, THAT

I

HAD RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS OVER THE COURSE OF

A

10

SEVERAL DAYS EROM MS. MCCOY. DURING

11

EVENTS ASSOCIATED WITH MF.. PARIS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THIS

12

ISSUE !^IAS BEING ADDRESSED.

l3

CONVERSATION OE' THE

MY EMA]LS AND TEXTS WERE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE TOLKS

14

THAT WERE INVOLVED, AND AT THAT TIME THEY DIDN'T

l5

BROUGHT

i6

WTJATEVEP YOU GUYS DO,

l9

INTO THE -- AS A WITNESS OR AS A -- AS PART OE THE .-

BUT 1T WAS INDICATED THAT

A FORWARD

IN THE EUTURE

WOULD POSSIBLY

BE

BROUGHT

AS __

ELSE WAS GOING TO GO GET A WARRANT. NOT

22

A

CORRECT.

23

O

OKAY, AND SO YOU TALKED ABOUT

24 25

FOR WITNESS

I

AND WHEN YOU SAY BElNG ADDRESSED, YOU MEAN SOMEBODY

20 21

WASN'T

OKAY.

17

l8

-- I

YOU SAI

D

THAT YOU

YOU?

TAKING

A

COUPLE OF MEASURES,

NOTIE]ED THE SHERIEE'S OEEICE, TOLD

THE

EoUNTY MANAGER

1

TO

IN.

2

SURVEILLANCE

3

SOME DISCUSSION

4

OE'EI

C

IAL ACTION,

5

A

I,M

6

Q

!{ELL,

1

C

ITH

YOU S A HIGHER LEVtrL OE AWARtrNESS'

THE SHERIEE,

HAD

S 9EEICE. THIS IS ALL

RIGHT?

NOT SURE YOU,

]

UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

RE DOING

IT IN YOUR

POSITION AS

COUNTY

HAI RMAN ?

A

8

o

THERE, V{

ilnsTHrno rr,oon, PUT vrDEo

SECURE

WHEN

I

DIRECTED COUNTY

_-

WHEN

I

DIRECTED THE CCUNTY

MANAGERToSECURETHETHIRDFLooR/THATWASDONEASMYOEE]CTAL

_- IN

__ THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY. WHAT I

l0

CAPACITY TO

11

Q

WHEN WAS THAT DONE?

12

A

iT

Q

OKAY, MONDAY __ MONDAY OR TUESDAY, SO WE'RE TALKING A

13

THIS.

14 15

WAS EITHER MONDAY OR TUESDAY, THE DAY EOLLOW]NG

WEEK

AGO? MARCH,

TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN?

__ WELL, WHAT'S TODAY'S DATE?

16

A

A

t7

Q

THE SEVENTEENTH.

l8

A

SO, IT HAD TO BE EARLIER -- YEAH, EARLIER THIS

19

Q

OKAY.

20

A

AS IT RELATES TO MY HOME?

21

Q

UH-HUH (AFEIRMAT]VE)

22

A

THERE'S NOTH]NG OFFICIAL ABOUT THAT.

23

Q

ALL RIGHT, BUT WHEN DID YOU PUT V]DEO

-t

)1

25

COUPLE

IN?

I DON'T

RECALL.

MONTII.

.

SURVEILLANCE

Q

1

2

ALL

F.IGHT.

WAS

]T

MARCH, T!{O THOUSAND SIXTEEN?

3

A

I DON'T

4

Q

!,IAS

5

A

S]P' _-

6

)

IdAS

7

A

YES.

8

Q

OKAY, SO IT WAS MAYBE DECEMBER?

9

A

S]R?

l0

Q

WE,RE GOTNG TO SUBPOENA

l1

A

EINE; I,M TELLING

12

HOi,{ MANY

Q

13

IT

.

T

RECALL.

EEBRUARY, TWO THOUSAND STXTEEN?

BLTOPE -HR]STMP.S:

YOU

SO -_

I DON,T RECALL, SO I

TII'IEI] YOU ASK ME, I' M NOT GOING TO

RECALL

DON,

IS.

WHEN YOU

CARE

.

TESTIFIED OI.] DIRECT

15

YOU TRIED TO GET THE MAGISTRATE TO BELIEVE THAT

l6

ACTION YOIJ TOOK

17

DAYS AGO, THAT'S NOT TRUE,

IN

RESPOI]SE TO THESE EOUR

THIS IS

SOME

LITTLE EMAILS A

FEW

IS IT?

__

l8

A

S]R

19

O

YOU PUT

20

A

vrrc

2t

O

OKAY.

IN VIDEO

rrl- Tc

SURVEILLAIICE I"IONTHS AGO.

Uce

ALL R]GHT, THE _. THE TEXTS THAT YOU RECEIVED,

22

T

ALL F.IGHT. SO THE BOTTOM LINE

14

IT/

23

DIDN'T CALL THE SHER]FF' S

24

EOR

MS. MCCOY'S ARREST FOR AI.]YTH]NG IN THESE

25

DTD

YOU?

OFETCE A}.]D GO TRY TO SEEK

A

YOU

b]ARRANT

COMMUNICATIONS.

I']O, I CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS

A

1

UH-HU'I (AEFIFMATlVL)

2

A

3

THE SHER]F'F'S OFEICE T,{AS

SAID.

.

5

TC THE

_-

-- IS

THE COURT COMPLEX

6

ALi

7

I4HAT

IN

^-

INVOLVED I,^JITH SECURITY TO I'4Y

MY BUILDING.

RIGHT.

-_

DO YOU WHA? POL]CE OEE]CER YOU SPOKE

TO?

9

A

DIRECTOR HEATON.

l0

O

OKAY.

l1

AND D]D YOU SHARE WITH HIM THE CONTEXT, THE CONTENT

t2

OT THESE TOUR

MESSAGES ?

t3

A

WE DID.

t4

Q

ALJ- R]GHT.

l5

SO THE DIRECTOR OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS

t6

THESE

17

TAKE}] FOR AI]YTHING THAT SIIE DID/ ALI,EGE DI,Y,

l8

COMMUN]CATIO}IS ?O YOU, RI GHT

COI,IMUI!

I

19

)n

22

I

AND THE POLICE ADVISED THE SHERIEE'S OEE'ICE, SII'ICE

4

8

2I

WHAT

Q

I CAT

IONS, AND AS

FAR

AS YOU KNOW, NO

IN

AT^TARE

oE

WARRANT WAS

THESE FOUR

?

HAD IJO I DEA OF KI.,]OWING ],HAT

.

OKAY.

WEL],, DiRECTOT HEATON. IN FACT, TOI.D YOU THAT TH]S WAS NOT A CRIME/ DIDN'T HE? A

I DON'T RECALL WHAT HE __ HE._ T ADVISED HTM

OF

24

I

25

IN]T]MIDATED AND HARASSED, AND HAD A CONCEF.N AS TO WHAT THtr

HAD RECEIVED, AND TOLD H]M THAT

2b

I EEI,T THAT ]

WAS BEING

WH

A'I

FINAL INTENT WAS OE MS. }ICCOY. AS SUCH,

2

SAEETY DIRECTOR, PLEASE TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTICI'IS ASSOCIATED

3

WlTH TT.

5

ALL RIGHT, SO YOU WENT TO THE VERY TOP, AND WAS TIIIS

6

A _-

7

CALL THAT YOU HAD I{ITH THE DIRECTOR?

I,JAS AI']

OEFICIAL REPORT MADE, OR WAS THIS JUST A

8

A

I

9

\2

OKAY.

HAD

A

TELEPHC},IE CALI. AND

AND THIS WAS

A

OR SO.

t2

Q

OKAY.

!./HAT

/ A

WEEK

A

PERSONAL

AGO, OR

TELEPHON*E

VISIT.

SO?

AND YOU W]IRE NEVER ASKED TO COME BACK DOWN HERE AND

13

A

14

MAKE

l5

CORRECT ?

STATEMENT TO ANY OEEICER, OR BEFORE

l6

A

CORRECT.

17

O

ALL RIGHT.

t8

SO, LETI S GE? ME S SAGE S

ARE.

YOU

A

I

21

O

ALI, RIGHT.

22

INITO

STILL

20

GOT

?HE CONTENT OF YOUR PHOI.IE

YOU WOULD, PLEASE,

REAL COOD, DO YOU MTND F.EADIIJG

A ]E

A

t,.J

MAG]STRATE,

-_ OF

WHAT THESE

I TH YOU?

SURE DO.

SO, ]E

24 25

PUBL]C

OKAY.

ll

23

WOULD

4

l0

t9

HE, AS A

1

HI,

CHAI RI"IAN

LEE.

WHAT

BECAUSE THE COPIES WEREN / T

THE F]RST

SUSAN MCCOY

YOU WANTED TO GRAB LUNCH OUT,

ON

ME.

MtrSSAGtr

HERE.

WANTED

I,[E COULD TALK

SAYS ?

1'O 5EE ABOU T

I

THE EUTURE OF COBB. THAT WAS SENT TEBRUARY TWENTY-SIXTH, AT F]VE TEN.

2

j

Q

OKAY.

AND YOU- CERTAIIJLY AGF.EE THAT IiOV.IHERE

1

COMMUN]CATION

6

BEHALF?

7

A

THAT'

8

Q

OKAY.

t0

S

A

THAT'S

t2

Q

A],L RIGHT.

t4

IN

THAT COMMUN]CAT]ON SHE CERTAINLY

__ NO THREAT TO YOU ]IJ ANY WAY?

l1

li

CORRECT.

AND WAS TFiERE AN IMAGE THAT

EIRST

COMMUNICAT ION

A

NO.

16

Q

ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN DI D YOU RECEIVE THE SECOND

l8

A

EEBRUARY TT.iENTY_EIGHTH,

t9

Q

ALL RIGHT/ SO THIS _- THAT

20

a

, trc

)t

Q

22

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WEI.,]T ALONG

WITH THAT

?

15

17

OI,JE?

AT EIGHT THIRTY_EOUR A.M. WAS TWO DAYS LATER THEI!?

OKAY.

AND CAI'J YOU READ THAT ONE. PLEASE?

A PHOTOCRA

Q

HER

CORRECT.

AND YOU AGREE MADE }JO

THAT

D]D SHE DIRECT YOU TO ANYBODY ON

5

9

iI'I

IT SAYS, PIr

Or A

OKAY.

I]AVE

I.AdE.

A

BLESSED SUN]DAY/ AND TT HAS A

AND YOU CERTAINLY WERE NOT PERSO}JALLY INTIMlDATED BY

1

2

HER WISH]NG YOU

A

)

A

BLESSED SLINDAY, I^IERE YOU?

SIR, ]T'S THE INTENT BEH]ND

THE MESSAGE AS TO !,iHY

4

WOULD SEND ONE TO ME OI'] FEBRUARY TWENTY_EIGHTH.

5

AND TOOK CONCEP.N THAT

6

SUNDAY MORNING, REGARDLESS OE THE CONTENT.

7

OKAY.

8

IT

9

l0

O

DID

WAS

A

I'D

GOTTEN

A __

RECEIVED

I

TOOK NOTE

A TEXT

FROM

BUT SHE DIDN'T USE ANY THREATENIIIG LANGUAGE WITH YOU,

SHE?

A

NO, SIR.

t2

0

AND SHE DIDN'T ASK YOU TO ANYBODY ON

BEHAL F,

DID

HER

SHE ?

t4

A

NO, SIR.

15

O

ALL RIGHT. SO, THE -_ i,iHEN hiAS THE THIRD MESSAGE YOU RECEIVED?

16 17

A

TUESDAY, I'iARCH FIF.ST, AT

18

0

OKAY.

AND THIS

19

A

YES, SIR.

2l

0

SHE

22

A

l'lo, SIR.

23

a

ALL RIGHT.

24

SI:{ O

T},IO

]S ALL BY liAY OE TEXT,

20

25

HE.R

COMMUN]CATION.

ll 13

SHE

DIDI]'T CALL

YOU TO HAVE

A

ITI THE I.IOR}iII.]G.

RIGHT?

PHONE CONVERSATIO}J?

AND WHAT DOES THE THIRD ONE SAY? A

DEAR CHA]RMAN

LEE, I'LL BE SPEAKING PUBLICLY AT

EACH

I

AND EVERY COBB COUNTY COI'{MISS]ONER'S MEETING, AND

2

ATLAI]TA REGIONA], COMI,{ISSIONER'S }IEETING U}ITIL SUCH T]ME THAT CAN GET SITUATED BACK INTO MY VERY OWN HOME.

I'LL BE

]

SPEAKING

4

ABOUT LEADERSHIP, TRUST, INTEGRITY, AND SIMILAR VIRTUES DESIRED

5

BY THOSE WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST. I'LL ALSO READ POETRY

6

II'J KIND. KINDEST REGARDS/ SUSAN MCCOY. AND TT HAD A

7

PHOTOGRAPH OE

A

BOOK.

8

OKAY.

9

AND THIS

l0

i,\r

I

IS

ONE OE THE

COMI"]UN

I CAT ION

S THAT YOU

SHARED

TH DIRECTOR HEATOII? A

11

12

OKAY.

l3

AND YOU AGREE THERE'S CERTAIT]LY I.JO DIRECT THREAT

14

YOU

I}J THIS

LANGUAGE

EITHER, IS

THERE?

AGAIN, SIR. IT'S NOT THE

15

LANGUAGE

AS MUCH AS ]T IS

__ SHE'S ACTUALLY STATING THAT SHE'S

l6

THE FACT THAT SHE WOULD

l7

GOING TO BE SHOWING UI] AT MEETINGS AND SPEAKING TO

18

GETS SITUATED BACK

19

BACK

20

WAS TO HARASS AND INTIMATE

2l

TO

IN

]I]

HER HOME.

I]S UNTIL

IT'S UX]T]L SHE GETS

SHE

SITUATED

HER HOME THAT RA]SED COI\]CERN W]TH ME THAT THE INTENT

ACCOMMODATE

T

IIAT

UNT]I, SUCH TIME THAT I DID

SOMETHING

STATEMEI.JT.

IF THE __ IF THIS TEXT HAD NOT REFERRED TO

22

TO

HEF. BE]NG

SITUATED BACK INTO HEII HOME/ WHICH I HAVE NOTHTNC TO DO ABOUT, 24

I

l5

RED F'L.AG FOR ME A.ND MY CONCERN.

MAY T]OT HAVE HAD THE SAME CONCERN, BUT 1HA'1''

S

WHAT RAISED THE

I

OKAY

2

AND SO WE,RE TALKING ABOUT

3

COMM]SSIONER,

1

.

S MEETING; THAT IS

A

COBB COUNTY

OPEN TO THE

PUBLIC. RIGHT?

YES, SIR.

A

5

AI'ID SO AS

6 7

ABLE

8

ISSUES,

TO COME

A

MEMBER OF THE

PUBLIC. SHE, S CERTAII{LY

THERE ATID OBSERVE AND TO MAKE STATEN]ENTS ON

__

CORRECT ?

S

9

A

THAT'

10

O

AND THE SAME AS THE ATLANTA REG]ONAL COMMISSlON?

11

A

YES, SIR.

t2

O

ALL RIGHT.

CORRECT

AND THAT'S

13

.

A PUBLIC

FORUM, AND PEOPLE

14

SUSAN MCCOY CAN COME AND MAKE STATEMENTS

15

]S

LIKE

MYSELF AND

OI] ISSUES, WHATEVER IT

THE COMM]SSIO}J'S DO]NG, CORRECT?

A

16

THERE TS GUIDEL]I,IES FOF, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AS TO

tr ar'll,t!.trl,tT 7 ,l-uEnrD rnc. u,^ECTIOlJ, THE

17

rT'll

18

WITH MS. IICCOY

19

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS YOU SUGGESTED, BUT IGNORED THE TIME

20

I,IMITATIONS AND DIRECTION TO STOP TALK]NG WHEN SHE/S

21

BEYOND THE TIME

22

CALL WAS ASKED TO

23

COMI{ENT S

]N THE PAST IS

LIMIT, __

SHE

__

SHE

-- GIVEN THE

EXTENDED

AND ACTUALLY ROSE HER VOICE WHEN THE

EOR HER TO

SO/ HER ACTIOIiS IN SHE HAS

?IME LIMIT, AllD My EXpEp.IEIiCE

SIT

DOVJI,J

A},]D COMPLETE IIER

.

21 25

ON

A

THE

PAST SUGGEST THAT SHE

TENDENCY TO IGNORE AND DISREGARD RULES AND

T^iAS

I

REGULATIONS DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, b]HICH ALII]AYS,

z

MY

J

MY EVALUAT]ON.

NEED TO PI]LL ALL THESE P]ECES TOGETHER WHEN

I'IIND/ I

I

4

SURE.

5

OKAY, AND SO YOU KNEW WHO SHE WAS BECAUSE SHli

TN

MAKE

HAD

6

PREVIOUSLYCOMEToTHESEMEET]}IGSBEEORE,ANDSHEHADACTUALT.Y

'7

VO]CED OPPOSITION TO CERTAIN POSIT]ONS YOU U]ERE TAKING.

I

CORRECT ?

9

A

1 BELIEVE ]T IS.

10

O

OKAY

A

12

THAT

l4

YES.

.

NOT OEE THE TOP OT MY

SHE COME O

OKAY

-_

PHYS

HEAD. IT

WAS SOME

TIIiE

AGO

SHE CAME AND SPOKE.

.

IILL RIGHT. AND HAVE

15

t6

THAT

DO YOU KIIOVi WHICH ISSUES THOSE WERE?

11

13

IS

YOU EVER HAD TO HAVE ANYBODY

ICALLY REMOVED FROM ONE OF THESE SUCH MEETINGS?

17

A

I ' I"1 SORRY

l8

o

HAVE YOU EVEF, HAD TO HAVE AIiYBODY REIV]OVED PHYSICALLY

19

EROIV] ONE

.F- THF-qtr

?

MtrtrT'T\]CC?

20

A

YESI SIR.

21

O

HO!{ MANY T]MES, YOU THINK?

22

A

I

23

a

15 IT A

24

A

.

25

a

PEOPLE _- PEOPLE GOII,IG OVER THE TIME LIMITS/ REALLY

DO}',]

' T RECALL

DOI]/

.

BUNCH?

T trECA'L. :-P.

REMARKABLE,

I

-_

2

EVERY M]]ET ING, DOESN, T IT?

NOTHING REALLY

TOO

3

A

WE COULD

4

Q

WELL,

5

IN

GO

IS IT?

HAPPEI\]S PRETTY

I'TUCH

BACK AND LOOK, SIR.

WOULD

YOU SAY

]T

HAPPENS

AT LEAST THREE TIMES

EVERY MEET ING?

T _.

6

A

]

7

O

NOT OI'']LY THE PUBLIC,

8

THEMSET,VES ?

DON'

SIR, I DON'T

9

BUT ALSO THE

COMMI SSIONERS

KEEP TRACK OE THAT.

l0 WELL, D]D YOU KEEP TRACK IF YOU,VE EVER HAD TO

l1 12

SUSAN I'{CCOY REMOVED FROM ONE OF THESE MEETlNGS?

lj

A

I DON,T BELIEVE

14

Q

OKAY.

l5

A

I DON'T

16 17

HAVE

I

DI

D

. Q

l8

I

DON,

T

WE D]D.

KNOW EOR CERTA]N

KI.]OW I

IE I -_ ] DON'T

RECALL THAT

E ANYOI.iE ELSE HAS .

ALL RIGHT. HAS SIIE EVER SHOh]N UP AT AT]Y OE THESE Mtr. TINGS AND

l9

DONE ANYTHING WHERE YOU HAD TO GET LAW ENTORCEMENT INVOLVED TO

20

EITHER HAVE HER ARRESTED OR TO HAVE HER

2t 22

A

REMOVED?

NO, S1R.

ALL R]GHT. SO SHtr INDICATtrS THAT SHE' D

BE

SPEAKfNG ABOUT

)4

LEADERSHIP, TRUST/ ]NTEGRITY, AND SIMILAR VALUES

)5

THOSE WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST?

DES IB.E

D

BY

1

A

VIRTUES, YES.

2

a

Vl

RTUE S

ALL

3

.

RIGHT

SO ARE THOSE THINGS THAT YOU

/

TO, LEADERSHIP, TRUST, INTEGRITY, AND SIMILAR

4

SUBSCRIBE

5

VIRTUES? DO YOU SUBSCR]BE TO THOSE V]RTUES? I"]S.

6

I'^JOUI'D

JACKSON

I,IT1 GO]NG TO OB.TECT TO THE RELEVAI]CE

OE

7 8

THE WITNESS

vtrau

9

MS.

JACKSON

_-

QUESTION.

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THE

WI T}]ES

-_

CONFUSED TOO.

l1

(BY MR. KILGORE) DO

l2

THINK LEADERSHIP' S

IMPORTANT

AGREE WITH

THAT, DO YOU

?

T,,]HAT, S

THE RELEVANCE?

MR. KILGOF.E: I,"JELL, HE tdANTS TO DISCUSS THE EACT

l5

l6

HE'

S

17

IS

WHY?

SOMEHOW

TERRIFIED BY

l8

MS.

JA^(SON: IHAT

l9

MR.

KILGORE: IF HE

20

TRUST AND ]NTEGRITY/

2l

QUEST ION

22

YOU

THE COURT: THE OBJECTION, S AS TO RELEVANCE.

l3 t4

S

T,M --

I

TH]S.

WOUI

U]HAT

I

TH.qT

NEED TO EIND OUT

D --

DOESN.

T BELIEVE IN

LEADERSHIP.

THII.,]K THAT K]ND oE AIiSI/iEt].S THE

ITSELF.

I{S. JACKSON:

YOUR HONOR, THAT WOULD BE ASKED AIJD

l3

ANSI]ERED. THE WITNESS TESTIFTED THAT THE TDEA THAT

Z4

DEEENDANT

25

PREVIOUS H]STORY THAT THE ]DEA THE DEEENDANT

IS

II{G HIM

IS -- IS

THE

EI\IOUGH, BASED ON THE

IS

]NG

HIM, IS

1

ENOUGH TO CAUSE CONCERN.

I THINK ]T, S

2

THE COURT:

3

MR. KILGORE: ALL RIGHT.

5

(BY MR. KILGORE) AND ]T ENDS WITH, 1 ALSO -- I'LL

Q

4

ALSO READ POETRY

IN KIND,

AND CERTAINLY

6 7

BEEN ASKED AI'JD ANShTERED.

A

KINDEST REGARDS, SUSAI'] EELLOW

LIKE YOU, A POLITICIAN.

A

DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT, SIR.

I

Q

ALL RIGI]T. SO ViHAT [,JAS THE I,AST COI4MUNICATION THAT YOU HAD

10

EROM

HER?

12

A

WISHING YOU

13

O

ALL RIGHT.

A

PEACEEUL

DAY, CHA]RMAN LEE.

YOU WEREII'T THREATEN BY __

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IT TO BE -_

15

A

]

16

o

_

17

A

I

18

o

WELL, LET. S ASSUME IT b]AS TOI']GUE AND CHEEK;

19

DlDN'T

20

DID

1'OOK

_

THAT

/

I,{ERE

YOU ?

TOOK 1T TO BE TONGUE AND CHEEK, SIR.

ASK YOU TO MICHAEL

SHE

PARIS ]N THAT COMMUNICATIO\I.

5HE ?

21

A

NO, S]R.

22

O

SHE

23

lNG

24

SHE?

I5

BUT

YOU, RE NOT AERAID OF POETRY, ARE YOU?

8

ll

MCCOY '

IN

NO WAY SUGGESTED THAT YOU OUGHT TO BE

M]CHAEL PARIS IN THAT -_ THAT COMMUI]TCATION, DID

I THINK

I.i}IAT

T STATED/ S]R, TS THAT

OVER THE COURSE

CAME TO THE CONCLUS ION

OT TTIqE, THROUGH THE DIEEERENT EVENTS,

2

THAT

3

TALKED AND SPOKE TO BEING SiTUATED BACK INTO HER HOME, WHICH IS

rl

TJEAR

5

RESTRAINING ORDER ABOUT HER DO]NG

6

EVEI]TS LEADING UP TO THESE TEXTS, THE ACCUMULATlVE EFEECT

7

ALL THOSE, IS

I?

WAS BEST TO SHAP.E THE TEXT VJ]TH

HIS

HOME, AND

]'M

MR. PARIS BECAUSE SHE

AIdARE OF THE EACT THAT THERE'S A

SO, SO/ i EELT,

BASED OI,] THE OT

WHAT RAISED I,{Y CONCERI.], SiR.

8

OKAY

9

BOTTOM

.

LINE IS, THIS IS AN ACTION ?HAT YOU

TOOK

ON

10

YOUR OWN, NOT BECAUSE SHE SUGGESTED YOU NEED TO GO OUT THERE

l1

AND

t?

A

ICHAEL PARIS

I,f

?

I DON'T THINK -_

YEAH,

]

AGREE I4]TH THAT STATEMENT

13

OKAY.

t+

AiL RIGHT/ SO I JUST GOT A

15

A

YES/ SIR.

16

a

YOU

t7

IN THE

PREV]OUSLY

PAST ABOUT BEIIJG A I"JITNESS II,J THE CASE

A

IT

t9

O

POTENT

20

A

YES, SIR.

2t

0

ALL RIGHT.

22 23

24

WAS

FEW MORE THINGS EOR YOU

I OI{ THE EACT ,I,HAT YOU HAD SPOKEN WITH COUNSEL

MEXIT

l8

25

I

1

A

POTEI.JTIAL, SIR.

I./iL

WITNES

S?

AND WAS THAT CONVERSATIOI,I THE SAME DAY THAT

THtr TE}1PORARY COUNSEL AND

-

?

r.{tr HAD THE PROTECTM ORDER

MR. PARISI

LAVJYER CAME UP

WITH YOU THAT DAY AT LIJNCH TIME?

TO

1OO

H

EARI NG /

CHE ROKEE

I/E

HAD

wH trN

TT]

I,1tr E 'F

I

A

sAi-iHAr : r'M Nor suRE r

2

O

ALL RIGHT. !,,]HEN WAS

.,)

1

WITNESS

IN

THAT YOU

A

I DON'T

6

O

OKAY

A

8

POKE

TO

COUNSEL AECUT BE

.

},]

O

,

NOT

UNT

?

IL

WE GOT HERE

.

WE SAID HELLO TO EACH

OTHEP,.

IT

BEEORE TODAY?

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O

!.JAS

11

A

WAS WHAT EEEORE TODAY?

t2

O

[]HEN COUI\ISEL SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT BEING

13

THE

A

YES.

l5

a

WHEN WAS THAT

l6

A

I DON'T RECALL, S]R.

t7

O

OKAY.

l8 l9

A

NO. IT

20

O

OKAY.

2l

WAS A

I

WAS LAST WEEK?

IT LAST MONTH?

DON'

T RECALL, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

24

I,{ELL, SUSAN SHE ?

IF ]T

WAS NOT.

-:)

WAS

WITNESS IN

?

DO YOU RECALL

22

A

CASE?

l.+

2.5

I}:]G A

RECALL.

t\rAS I T To DAY

7

S

O}J

THE CASE?

5

9

IT

I FOLLOW YOUR QUEST

MCCOY CERTAINLY WASNI

T AT THAT MEETING,

I

A

NO, SIR.

2

O

OKAY

YOU AGREE SUSAN MCCOY WOULDN, T HAVE ANY WAY OE

3

4

.

KNOWING WHATEVER

IT IS

T

THAT YOU TALKED ABCJUT WITH COUNSEL?

5

A

I

6

Q

YOU GOT MESSAGES FROM THE T!,dENTY_SIXTII OE EEBRUARY TO

7

TH FIRST

DON'

Kl'lOW rllHAT SHE KNOWS

OF MARCH, RIGHT?

8

A

YES, SIR.

9

V

IlLLJ

r\-L

lrIr .L.

AND SO

l0

.

_-

AND YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT YOU

MR. PAR]S ABOUT IT, EVEI.I

11

ED

12

YOU

l3

CTHER THAN THE

14

HF,ATON ?

TO. DID

YOU

--

THOUGH SHE

__ DID YOI] ANYBODY

--

SHE DiDi]i,

ELSE ABOUT

OTHER THAt\l THE COI'{MISSIOIJER

-- I

A

THE COUNTY MANAGEP., AND THE SHERIEE/ S OFFICE.

16

O

WHAT ABOUT SAM OLEN

t7

A

I DID NOT .

l8

0

WHAT ABOUT JAMES TOUCHTON?

19

A

I DID NOT.

20

O

OKAY.

MR. KILGORE: ] THINK THAT, S ALL I,VE GoT,

22

MS. "TACKSON: JUST A

FEI,,J

MS.

25

Q

JUDGE.

QUESTIONS ONt REDIF.ECT.

R,ED]RECT EXAM]NATlON

24

IT,

S?

2t

JACKSON:

NOW, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY ED

__ ARE YOU

YOU

T

MEAI'I MR.

l5

23

__

ASK

1

COTISTANTIV ED BY YOUR CITIZENS? A

2

5

IN

A

AT SIX

O'CLOCK

VERY UNUSUAL. ON YOUR PERSONAL CELL PHONE?

A

YES, MA,AM; YEAH, IT,S VERY

1S IT

8

o

MESSAGES

THE MORN]NG?

6 1

MA, AM

1S IT UNUSUAL TO RECEIVE TEXT

J

4

VE.Q

UNUSUAL.

UNUSUAL EOR YOU TO RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM YOUR

ClTIZENS ON SUNDAY MORNINGS?

10

A

VERY UNUSUAL.

11

Q

AD WHAT

IS THE IMPACT TO YOU OE ALL

OE

A

SUDDEN

12

RECEIVING THESE TEXT MESSAGES EROM SUSAN MCCOY. GIVEN WHAT

IJ

KNOW ABOUT

14

A

THE HISTORY?

GIVEN THE HI

STORY,

l5

WITH MY FAMII,Y AND MYSELF

16

AND AS SUCH WE HAVE

t7

CONCERN EOR OUR WELEARE.

l8

l9

Q

YCU

AND

IS IT

A

AS

HIGHER

IT/S __ IT'S

CAUSED GREAT CONCERN

TO THE F'INIAL INTENT OE'MS.

--

HIGHER AWARENESS,

NATURAL TOR YOU

FOR CONCERN. EOR YOU TO

TO, IE

THERE

A

MCCOY,

HIGHER

IS A

REASON

SOMEONE ?

20

A

ABSOLUTELY.

2l

Q

AND SO WHEN YOU ED M]CHAEL PARIS ABOUT THESE

22

TEXT MESSAGES. WHY DID YOU DO THAT?

A

I

HAD CONCERN FOR H]M AND

I

BECAUSE OF THE

OE. AND THE UNCERTA]NTY AS TO THE __

24

HISTORY THAT

25

KNOWING THAT SOME TSSUES HADN/

WAS AWARE

HIS FAMILY

T

BEEN RESOLVED

YET AS

IT

RELATES

1

TO THE PRIOR INC I DENT

2

MS.

J

THE COURT:

1

JACKSON

S

NOTHING FURTHER OF THIS !{TTNESS.

ALL RIGHT, SIR,

YOU

CAN STEP DOhlN. THANK

YOU

THI\TIK

YOU.

SHOULD

I

LEAVE THE

5

THE W]TNESS

6

THE COURT:

7

MR. Kl LGORE

8

THE

COUP.T:

o

THE

WI TNES S

THAI.]K YOU.

10

IlS.

JACKSON

THE STATE CALLS MICHAEL PARIS.

1l

THE COURT:

IS

THI

S IdIT}]ESS BE FREE TO

] DON'T OKAY,

YOU/

ROOM?

GO?

HAVE ANYTHII.IG ELSE.

RE FREE TO GO. SIP,.

SOMEBODY GO GET HINI.

MICHAEL EMBRY PARI S,

12 13

HAVIN]G BEEN EIRST DULY SWOF.I.I, WAS EXAMINED AND TEST]EIED AS

14

EOLLOWS:

l5 16

DIRi'CT EXAMIIJATiON BY MS. JACKSON:

t7

STATE YOUR \TAME FOR THE RECORD.

18

A

M]CHAEL EMBRY PARIS.

I9

Q

AND DID YOU PREVIOUSLY TEST]EY I},]

20

23

PF.OTECTIVE ORDER

HEARING REGARDING THE DEEENDANT, SIJSAN MCCOY?

I

21.

22

A

Q

DID.

AI']D DID YOU HAVE THE OCCAS]ON TO HAVE

A

CONVERSA'IION

WITH CHAf PM.AN TIM LEE REGARDING CE]iTAIN TEXT MESSAGES?

2.4

A

1ES, I DID.

25

Q

CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE TEXT 40

I

2

MESSAGES, AND T,,iHAT YOUR RESPONSE WAS?

A

WEIL, idHAT ]

__

HAD BEEN

KI',]

OI,{ THAT

IN A

__ ] BELIEVE

SL]ON AETER

1'1S.

P]ENTAL HEALTH EACULTY THAT SHE BEGAN

3

MCCOY HAD

4

TO TEXT T]M ].EE, AND

5

OE THEM THAT

6

GOlNG TO COME TO ALL COUNTY COMM]SSION MEETINGS AND ATLANTA

7

REGlONAL COMMlSSION MEETINGS, AND THAT REALLY CONCERNED

8

BECAUSE PART OT MY JOB

9

MEET]NGS ON

10

Q

1l

I

A

__

IN

MY EMPLOYMEJI{T

IS THAT ]

ME

ATTEND THOSE

REGULAR BASIS.

A\ID WOULD

COMMUNICATE WITH

IT __

WOULD

IT BE

NATURAL FOR YOU TO

MR. LEE AI]OUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?

IT

13

AND WHY WAS

WOULD BE.

1T SO CONCERNING TO

GOTTEN' THESE TEXT MESSAGES

YOL] THAT HE HAD

?

WELL, IT'S CONCERNING IS _- ]S THAT I FELT THAT,

t5

I _- I EELT __

lIY

l6

KNOW,

t7

AETER EVERYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED WITH ME AND

l8

FAMILY REGARDI}'.]G MS. MCCOY. THE E}4AILS THAT SHE SENT US

l9

TIME, THE FIFTY-SEVEN EMAII,S. AND HAI]

20

THOUGHT

2l

GETTING TO ME, SII.ICE SHE CAIJ'T TALK TO ME DIRECTLY,

22

SHOULDN'T BE ING ME DIRECTLY.

YOU KI.IOW, CONCERNED EOR

THIS WAS __ TO ME 'fHIS

BEEN HARASSING

WAS ALMOST

25

IT'S h]ITH]N -- IT'S

4l

MY

OVER

US/ AND I

AN IN]DIRECT WAY

OE

OR

MRS

AROUND THE CORNER, JUST

HOUSES AWAY.

YOU

OWN SAEETY,

AND HOI^] FAR AWAY I S IT THAT YOU LIVE FRoM ).4

ONE

UNDERSTOOD REEERRED TO HER SAYING THAT SHE WAS

t2

l4

SEVERAL TEXT }IESSAGES, ESPECIALLY

.

A

]"ICCoY? EEW

I

MS. JACKSON: NOTHING

2

TIIE COURT;

5

CROSS EXAMINAT I

Q

ON

OKAY, NIR. PARIS, THE LAST TII"]E THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED

ISN'T IT

ANY EROM MS. MCCOY,

l

THIRTEENTH, OT TWO THOUSAND FIETEEN? THAT

8

10

WITNESS.

BY MR. KILGORE:

6

9

THlS

.OSS EXAMINATION.

3

4

EURTHER OF

Q

IS

SO YOU

TRUE THAT WAS NOVEMBER

RIGHT.

DIDN'T RECE]VE ANY THE REST OF NOVEMBER, OR

DECEI4BEB, THE REST OF TI,{O THOUSA}ID F]TTEEN AT

ALL,

CORRECT?

ll

A

THAT

13

Q

AND T },] .TANUARY YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMUNICATION

li

IS

CORRECT.

EROM HER WHATSOEVEF.,

DID

YOU?

NOT.

l4

A

NO, S]R. 1 DID

t5

Q

I

t6

WA}JT TO MAKE SURE

] __ b]E'RE

TALKING ABOUT Tl]E

SAME

YOU?

THINC.

t7

A

THAT'S RIGHT.

l8

Q

WHAT ABOUT PHOI,IE

CALLS? DID SHE __ DID SHE CALL

19

A

SHE DI D NOT CALL

I.{E .

20

Q

OKAY.

2t 22

25

WHAT ABOUT COI.IING UP TO YOUR HOUSE, YOUR HOUSE AT

ALL DURING THAT __

A

NOT WHILE

Q

OKAY.

I

WAS THERE.

DID SHE TEXT YOU?

DID SHE COI,{E TO

THOSE COUPLE OE MONTHS?

1

A

SHE DID NOT TEXT ME.

2

0

ALL RIGHT.

DID SHE SEND

3

YOU

ANY EMAILS ?

4

A

NO, S IR, SHE DID

5

0

WHAT ABOUT MAIL, REGULAR MAIL?

6

A

NO, SIR.

7

o

OKAY.

DID SHE SEND __ DID SHE SEND AN EMISSARY TO

8

9 10

NOT.

AND

COME

NOVEMBER,

UP TO YOUR OEEICE AND HAVE CONVERSATION W]TH YOU IN OR DECEMBER/

l1

A

NO, SHE D]D

12

O

OKAY

OR JANUARY ?

NOT.

.

YOU CAME

AND THEN JANUARY THE NINETEENTH,

13

COME UP

__

IN

HERE AND

YOU TOLD THE MAGISTRATE COURT THAT YOU WERE NOT

_-

14

YOU TOLD

15

YOU WOULD NOT EEEL SAFE UNLESS THAT WOMAN,

l6

STATE BAR OE GEORGIA, NO CR]M]NAL RECORD, WAS REMOVED FROM HER

17

HOME THAT

18

TOLD TH]S MAGISTRATE, RI

20

PRETTY MUCH !^IHAT

YOU

GHT ?

SHORTLY AFTER

ALL TH] S HAD OCCURRED.

2l

ALL RIGHT.

O

ALL RIGHT, SINCE JANUARY THE NINETEENTH, TWO THOUSAND

22

IXTEEN

-!)

S

24

FORM,

25

MEMBER OE THE

I FILED THAT IN THE EIRST OF JANUARY,

A

19

SHE'S LIVED IN HER ADULT L]EE.

A

A

I

HAS

MS.

MCCOY HASN'T ED YOU

SHE?

NOT D]RECTLY.

IN

ANY WAY, SHAPEI

OI1

Q

I

SHE HAS}J'T CALLED YOU, SHE HASN'T COIIE TO YOUR HOME,

2

SHE HASN'T EMAILED YOU. SHE HASN'T TEXTED YOU, SHE HASN'T SEI]T

3

AI'] EMISSARY TO YOUR OFEICE TO HAVE

4

HASN'T SENT YOU ANY MAIL, SHE HASN'T ED YOU. ISN'T

5

TF.UE ?

A

6

A

YES, S]R.

7

Q

YOU BECAME A!^IARE THAT MR.

8

SOME MESSAGES, CORRECT

A

TI]AT IS RIGHT.

l0

Q

A\]D DID HE SHOb] YOU

l1

A

YES, HE D]D, OKAY.

13

DID HE

A

15

SHOWED THEM

l6

Q

l7

HOWEVER, HAD RECEIVED

THOSE?

SHOW YOU ACTUALLY ON

HE SHOI,{ED _- HE

l4

LEE,

THAT

?

9

t2

CONVERSATION WITH YOU, SHE

H]S

PHONE?

-- HE TAI,KED TO ME ABOUT THEM, AND

TO ME, YES.

OKAY.

Al.lD YOU CERTAINLY AGREE THAT NOI/iHERE

--

IN ANy OF

18

MESSAGES DOES HE DIRECT

19

YOU?

20

A

SAY THAT AGAIN.

21

Q

NOIIE OF THOSE MESSAGES MENTION YOU AT

22

A

THEY DO NOT MENTION ME.

23

Q

NONtr OE THOSE MENTIONED

DOES SHE DIRECT H]M TO HAVE

__

ALL,

_-

THOSE TO

DO THEY?

NONE OE TIIOSE N,]ESSAGES

14

DIRECT TIM LEE TO CALL YOU, OR TEXT YOU/ OR EMAIL YOU, OR HAVE

25

A

CONVERSAT]ON

AT A],L, DID

THEY?

I

THAT

A

-_

THAT,

S

2

ALl-

j

AND, ]N EACT,

R] GI]T

I/iE

CORRECT.

.

V,JERE

WHAT !^]E,RE TALKING ABOUT HF,RE IS

TALKII']G

IN THE

PROTECT

IVE

HEARING

.

I

F

MS .

1

EXACTLY

5

MCCOYDOESN,TGETToGoToTHOSECOMM]SSIONMEETINGS,THEI..]HER

6

POL]T]CAL VO]CE ]S SHUT

7

AT ALL, ISN,T THAT

8

!,^JHAT

A

WELL, I WE GOT

9

DOWN ON

_-

ON ANY ISSUE

CORRECT?

DON,

T

KNOVJ.

I'M

LOOKING AFTER MY R]GHTS.

THAT, BUT IE SHE CAN' T BE

10

OPPOSE ANYTIIING THAT YOU

ll

EORWARD,

ISN'T

ANY ISSUE THAT

AI'I D

THERE

,

SHE CAI'J'

TIM LEE ARE TRYIN]G TO

T

PUSH

T1IAT TRUE?

12

A

I DON'T

li

Q

WELL, ]E SHE CAN'T BE THERE, SHE CANIT VERY T^]ELL

t4 15

l6 t1

l8

KNOW

THAT THAT'S TRUE AT ALL.

UP TO THAT MICROPHONE AND SAY ANYTHIIJG, CAN

A

]F SHE'S

Q

THIIIGS.

SHE'S

SHE CAII

l,,JF.I

TE

A C]TIZEI.].

SURE.

SHEIS

A CITIZEN,

BUT YOU DON'T

t9

RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO WALK UP TO THAT

20

COMMISSION MEETINGS, DO

2l

SHE?

NOT THERE, SHE CAN'T SPEAK.

LETTERS, SHE CAN DO ALL K]NDS OE

VJALK

WA}JT HER

M]CROPHONE

TO HAVE

THE

AT THOSE

YOU ?

I'.1S. JACKSO\I: YOUR HONOR,

I't'{

GOING TO OBJECT TO THE

22

RELEVANCE. THE WITNESS HAS ALREADY TESTIEIED THAT HE JUST

-1

DOESN/

24

NOT THE ARBITRATOR OE THE DEEENDANT'

25

AMENDMENT RIGHTS, AND

T

WA}.]

T TO HAVE ANY WITH THE DEFENDAI.IT.

HE/

S

S CONSTITUTIONAL E]RST

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

1

THE COURT: RESPONSE, MR.

2

MR. KILGORE: WELL, I

J

THE COURT: MR. KILLGORE,

4

MR. KILGORE: THAT'S OKAY;

5

I

MADDOX?

WOULD SUGGEST TO THE COURT

WOULD SUGGEST THAT HE

I,M

SORRY.

COMMON

--

COMMON MISTAKE.

IS THE CENTRAL

FIGURE

IN

6

DENIAL OF HER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, AND HE OUGHT TO

7

CROSS EXAMINED ON THAT.

THE COURT:

8

9

I DISAGREE. ] THINK IT

MR. KILGORE: OKAY, THANK

11

THE COURT: REDIRECT?

12

MS. JACKSON:

13

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT,

BE

GOES BEYOND THE

YOU.

NO.

S]R,

YOU CAN STEP DOWN; THANK

YOU.

MS. JACKSON: THE STATE CALLS PAUL

15

CAMAR]LLO.

PAUL CAMARILLO,

16 17

HAVING BEEN EIRST DULY SWORN, WAS EXAMINED AND TESTIF]ED AS

18

FOLLOWS

:

t9 20

THE

RELEVANCE OE THIS.

10

14

-_

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MS. JACKSON:

21

Q

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

22

A

PAUL CAMARILLO.

23

Q

HOW

t4

A

WITH THE COBB COUNT DA'S OEEICE.

)5

Q

AND WHAT

ARE YOU EMPLOYED?

IS

YOUR ASS]GNMENT?

A

I

2

TO JUDGE GRUBB' S

Q

-,

4

I'M AN ASSISTANT D]STR]CT

ATTORNEY, AND

ASSIGNED

COURTROOM.

AND WERE YOU THE DUTY DA ON OR ABOUT FEBRUARY

TI,{ENTY_N]NTH __

5

A

]

6

N \l

__ r)tr THTq YFAP? v'

7

A

I

8

Q

AND WHAT DAY OE THE TI]EEK WAS THAT?

9

A

THAT

l0

Q

WOULD

11

A

PROBABLY.

t2

Q

OKAY.

WAS.

I,JAS

.

I'M IT

NOT

SURE. I'M

HAVE

_-

WOULD

NOT POSITIVE.

IT

HAVE BEEN

A

MONDAY?

AND DID YOU HAVE THE OCCASION TO ENCOUNTER THE

l3 14

I'M

DEEENDANT, SUSAN MCCOY?

15

A

I

16

Q

CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHAT HAPPENED DURING THAT

l7

DID.

ENCOUNTER?

A

i8

SURE. SC I'M NOT SURE,

YOUR HONOR,

YOU KNOW ALL

DA'S DO/ BUT WE HANDLE ALL THE __ THE CALLS

19

WHAT THE DUTY

20

THE QUESTIONS THAT COME FROM PEOPLE THAT

2t

SO, THAT DAY I

22

ATTORNEY WHO HAD

23

SOI ]

24

ASKED HER, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN

25

]E

GOT

A

A CALL

SHOW

AND

UP TO THE LOBBY.

TO MY OEEICE THAT THERE WAS

A

LOCAL

LEGAL QUESTION THAT NEEDED TO BE ANSWERED.

WENT UP TO THE LOBBY AND

AND SHE ASKED

IF

I

I

SAW

MS.

MCCOY

IItrRtr/ AND I

HELP YOU?

THERE I1]AS 47

A

PLACE WHERE WE COULD

1

TALK,

BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE AROUND.

SO

2

I SAID, SURE, I{E CAN GO TO MY OEE'ICE. SO,

J

WENT DOWN TO MY OEE]CE, AND

4

HERSELE, AND WE

_-

I

INTRODUCED MYSELF, SHE INTRODUCED

WE JUST EXCHANGED PLEASANTRIES.

AND THEN SHE SAID SHE HAD

5

VIC, TO TALK

WE

TO

__

V]C THAT DAY, VIC

SHE WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING

REYNOLDS, THE DISTRICT

6

EOR

7

ATTORNEY, BECAUSE SHE KNEW

HIM, AND SHE TRUSTED HIM, AND __

8

__ BUT I SA]D, WELL,

1

9

WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT,

MAYBE

CAN HELP YOU W]TH WHAT YOU'RE __

S

YOUR QUEST]ON?

AND SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD TO START WITH THE

10

IN TIME TO EXPLAIN KIND OF WHERE

__

SHE

l1

HAD TO GO BACK

12

SO. SHE TOLD ME

13

HER ERONT YARD/ AND THAT

T4

THAT/ SHE -- SHE STARTED SUEEERING

15

EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT

l6

!^JASN'T THINKING CORRECTLY, AND THAT SHE HAD SENT SOME EMAILS

t7

THAT SHE DOESN'T SENDING, AND THAT BECAUSE OT THAT,

t8

THERE WAS

A

SHE WAS AT.

AT HER HOUSE, IN

WAS UNSOLVEDI AND THAT BECAUSE OE FROM SORT

OF -- SHE DIDN/T

IT WAS, BUT SHE SA]D THAT SHE __

SHE

TPO TAKEN OUT AGA]NST HER.

SO

19

ABOUT AN ARSON HAD OCCURRED

IT

AND

AT THAT POINT I STTLL DIDN'T KNOW, OTHER THAN

20

IT

21

ASKED HER, OKAY, WELL, WHAT KIND

22

HAVE?

WAS SOME SORT OF

WHAT DOES

IT

C]VIL TPO, IT

SOUNDED

YOU KNOW, GET HAPPEN. SHE WANTED 24

SO, SHE HAN]fED

25

L]KE

MLJ

LIKE TO ME, SO J

OE, YOU KNOW.

SAY YOU CAN' T

DO?

A

THAT

PAPERWORK DO YOU

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO.

COMMISSION MODIFIED ON

A P]ECE OE PAPER, AND ]T

WAS

__ IT

LOOKED

SOME BOND CONDITIONS EROM THE COBB COUNTY MACISTRATE

IT.

I

COURT. SO, ] SA[] HER NAME AT THE TOP, AND ] REALIZED AT

2

POII\]T, OH, OH, THIS IS THE DEFENDANT, NOT -- NOT JUST -- I

3

MEAN, SHE MAY BE AN ATTORNEY,

4

THE DEI'ENDANT IN

A

I DON'T

KNOW/ BUT SHE WAS ALSO

CASE.

I SA]D,

TIGHT, LET ME LOOK SOMETHING UP FEAL

5

SO

6

QU]CK. SO, I

7

SAI{ THAT

8

PROSECUTOR ATTORNEY'S COUNSEL HAD TAKEI{ OVER WITH THE

o

PROSECUT ION

]T

HANG

LOOKED UP HER NAME

!.IAS

A

THAT

IN

MY COMPUTER SYSTEM, AND

I

CASE THAT WE HAD CONFLICTED OEE, AND THAT THE

.

SO, I SAID, YOU KNOW. ] CAN'T REALLY HELP YOU ViITH

10

__

ll

ANY COIIDITIONS, BECAUSE

l2

ANYMORE. WE DOl.]'T HAVE AI.IY AUTHOR]TY TO DO A}J]]THING. EVEN IE

l3

I

l4

BUT

l5

THAT TO THE

l6

HANDLING THE CASE.

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE CASE

WANTED TO HELP YOU. WH]CH

i CAN,T,

I

WOULD I,OVE TO TRY TO HELP YOU.

BECAUSE WE DOI\],T HAVE AUTHOR]TY, BUT

__ TO THE __ THE ATTORNEY

I

WOULD REEER

THROUGH THE STATE THAT'S

AND SO SHE SAID SHE UNDERSTOOD, AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST

1l l8

CONTII']UED JUST TALKTNG ABOL'T, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY

19

STUE'T. I WAS, AT THAT PO]NT __ OR ]

20

AGGRAVATED STALKING, AND SO

2l

DJDN'T __ YOU I{NOIi, ] JUST __ I JUST KEPT TALKING ABOLIT JUST

22

NORMAL STUEE, AND

23

AND THNT' S WIIY SIIE WANTED TO GO AND GET THIS CONDITION MODI

25

IT

RAN

DOIV]

SAW THAT THE CHARGE WAS

CONCERNED ME

__ AND SHE !!AS TALKING

A LITTLE BIT. BUT ]

ABOUT HER CH]LDREN,

Fl ED. SO SHE

__ AT THAT POINT WHILE 49

SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT

I

HER CHILDREN/ SHE STARTED TO BREAK DOWN CRYING, AND SHE SAID

?

SHE REALLY I,iANTED TO GET BACK HOME TO BE

J

KIDS,A__AWIEE

1

IN

TO HER

__

A _- A

MOTHER TO HER

HER HUSBAI']D, AND THAT'

S I'iHY SHE

WAS

MY OTEICE.

Q

5

LET ME ASK YOU THIS __

MR. KILGORE: HOLD ON.

6

I, M GOING TO OBJECT.

WE' RE

7

GETTING TO THE PART THAT _- THAT WE THINK THE COUF.T NEEDS

8

TO HEAR ABOUT, AND SHE

9

THAT HE BE ALLOWED TO EIN]SH THE COURT; ALL

l0

R

CUTS HIN1

OEE. I,

l GHT, YOU CAN

I"1

GOING TO ASK

__ I ' LL LET YOI-I

ll ll

EINISH.

l3

AND SHE, AT THAT POINT, K]ND OE STARTED

14

STARTED KIND OE GOING BACK ]NTO

t5

STORY, AND SHE WAS K]ND OF JUI'IPING EROM

l6

KI.IOW, WANTIIIG TO BE

t7

THAT, AND SHE WAS -- YOU KNOW, I __ SHE WAS __ SHE WAS

l8

VERY EMOTIONAL. THAT'S THE BEST

I9

IT.

20

Q

(BY MS. JACKSON) DlD SHE APPEAR TO BE RAMBLING?

2t

A

SHE

THE WITNESS: SHE STARTED TO BECOMING VERY EMOTIONAL,

__ IN

A

SORT OE

A

__ UP UNTIL THAT POINT HER __

23

WAS KIND OE VERY

1,1

SLOWER PACE THAN WHAT

25

BUT

KNOW

SHE

THlS __ THIS OR]GINAL

-.

TROM HER, YOU

MOTHER, TO THE CASE, TO THIS

22

T DON'T

_- I TH]NK

1 CA}I __ I

METHODICAL KIND CE

AI.JD

CAN DESCRIBE

WAY. IT

HER SPEECH, WHEN SHE WAS TALKING,

DELIBERATE. IT WAS __ IT WAS I{IND OF AT

I

WAS

A

WOULD CONSIDER JUST NORF1AL SPEAKING,

HtrR, SO 1T COULD MAYBE HtrR NORMAL I'AY

Otr

I DON'T KNO!{, BUT IT

WAS VERY

-_ IT

1

SPEAKING,

2

METHODICAL, AI'JD THE}.J WHEN SHE BROKE DOWII

J

GOING FASTER EROM TOPIC TO TOPIC.

DID YOU TALK TO HER ABOIJT THE

4

Q

5

REPRESENTED?

6

A

] DID _-

7

Q

BY

8

A

YES. AT

WHEN

I

9

I _-

SHE

EACT

r,IAS VERY

STARTED K]ND OE

THAT SHE

II]AS

COUNSEL?

THAT POINT

-- AT THAT PO]NT I DID,

SHE NEEDS TO tsE GOING THROUGH HER ATTORI.IEY TO BE DOII.IG

ll

EVERYTHING

t2

JUST GOTTEN OIJT OE RIDGEVIEW, AND AT THAT POINT,

IJ

AND FROM EXPEF.IENCE WITH THAT'S

14

SHE

15

FIRST PLACE, WAS BECAUSE OF MY ATTORNEYS.

.qHE

T"iHEN

BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT SHE WAS REPRESENTED/ THAT

l0

__

AND

I}i THE

FUTURE TO TI.iE PROCESS, SHE

SA]D, THAT'S

HOVi

]

A

SA]D TH.AT

IN

-SHE HAD

MY MIND,

MENTAL HEALTHCARE EAC]LITY,

ENDED UP

AT RIDGEV]EW IN

THE

SO. I SAID, WELL, BY __ BY LAW, ETH]CALLY, I HAVE

16 17

TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, AND I HAVE TO TELL I"{Y

18

EXACTLY WHAT YOU

t9

WHAT WAS

20

CAN'T,

2t

WAS REPRESENTED,

22

THE CASE AT ALL

SAID,

SAID. I

HAVE TO

BECAUSE YOU'RE

A

AI.]

ACTUALLY

BOSS

TELi THE PROSECUTOF. EXACTLI

REPRESENTED PERSON. AND

YOU KNOW/ TALK ABOUT THE CASE, AIID WHEN

]

]

I

TOUND OUT SI{E

SAID. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK

ANY},IORE.

D THtrl.I SHE SATD, YOU KNOW/ I KNOI' TIItrY

24

THINK I'M CRAZY, BUT I'M NOT. SHE SA]D. ]'M THINKING

25

CLEARLY RIGHT NOW, THAT

I DON'T __ I DON'T 51

TO

THEY SO

NEED ANYMORE

ABOUT

I,M

MEDICATION,

1

2

SHE SAID

IN

NOT M-DICATION' BECAUSE SHE'S

HER WORDS,

I'M THINKING

-r BECAUSE -;,

SO CLEARLY RIGHT

EURTHER FROM

3

MS. JACKSON: NOTHING

4

THE COURT: CROSS EXAMINAT ION

5

MR. KILGORE:

THIS

I,M

NOW'

T,JITNESS.

OKAY.

CROSS EXAMINATION

6 7

-_

BY MR. K]LGORE:

8

Q

PAUL, SHE CAME IN __ DO YOU REMtrMBER WHAT DAY iT

9

A

]

WAS?

TRY TO DO DUTY DA'S ON MONDAYS OR FRIDAYS, SO IT

A

FR]DAY OR MONDAY.

10

WAS EITHER

1l

TWENTY_NINTH, BECAUSE

IT

I

WAS NOT

t2

Q

EEBRUARY TWENTY_NINTH?

IJ

A

YEAH, IT WAS A

14

Q

OKAY.

15

A

MONDAY MORNING.

16

Q

DID SHE _-



A

IT

WAS

__ IT

WAS THE

NORMAL EEBRUARY.

MONDAY.

EXCUSE

ME. D]D SHE TELL YOU THAT

YOU

17

NEEDED TO MICHAEL PARIS EOR HER, AND TO TELL M]CHAEL

l8

PAR]S TO LET HER BACK

19

A

IN

HER HOME?

I DON'T __ I DON'T -- IS

THAT

KNOW WHO

MICHAEL PARIS/ BUT

A WITNESS, OR SOME __ SOMEBODY? I

20



2t

HER SAYING THE

22

ORIGINAL STORY THAT SHE TOLD, BUT

__

OTHER THAN

IE IT

I DON'T

1__ I

DON'T

b]AS PART OE

HEF.

HER ASKING

ME TO ANYBODY. 24

Q

OKAY.

25

A

I

TOLD HER

]

WAS GOING TO PEOPLE ON BOTH

1

SIDES

OE HEF. CASE.

2

A].L RICHT.

3

SHE APPEARED

]N

YOUR OEE]CE AND SHE I^IANTED TO BE

4

HEARD, SHE HAD A},] ISSUE, AND SHE POURED HER HEART

5

IS

6 7 8

9 10 11

THAT

A

A

OUT

TO

YOU,

PRETTY FAIR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED?

SHE WAS VER.]'

__

SHE SEEMED \J,ERY D]STRAUGHT

AIJD

ELJOTIONAL OVER THE WHOLE THING.

Q

D]D SHE TELL YOU THAT EVEN

THOUGH THERE HAD BEEN NO

ADDITIONAL SIIICE NOVEMBEF,, SHE WAS PUT OUT OE HER

HOME

THE THIRD I^]EEK OF JA\]UARY, TWO THOUSAND S]XTEEN?

A

SHE TOLD ME SHE I,{AS PUT OUT OF HEB. HOME, AND TH7\T

SHE

t2

WANTED THE CONDITIONS CHANGED, BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO GO BACK TO

l3

HER HOME.

11

OKAY.

15

AND DID SHE TELL YOU THAT

-_ THAT IT

WAS SO TRAUMAT IC

l6

FOR HER BEII.]G REI'{OVED EROM HER HOME, THAT SHE HAD TO BE

t7

COI'IMITTED TO RI DGEVIEW TWO DAYS LATER?

l8

A

I DON'T

RECALL HER EVER SAYING THAT BEING REMOVED

BE PUT IN RIDGEVIEW. BUT I

19

FROM HER HOME tr{AS WHAT CAUSED HER TO

20

-_ ALL ]

21

RELEASED. I'M I'IOT SURE/ OTHER THAN THAT, AND THE FACT THAT

22

H.AD MENTIO}IED THAT GOING TO HER ATTORNEYS CAUSED

23

I]ER TO GO TO F.IDGEVIEI4

REIVIEMBER

ABOUT RIDGEVIEU] WAS THAT SHE HAD .TUST BEEN

__

SHE

HAD CAUSED

IN THE FIRST trLACE.

1/l

UH-HUH (AFFIRMAT" VL/

l5

AND BE]NG TN THE D]STR]CT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, A}iD

.

IN

THE CRIM]NAL JUSTICE SYSTEI,I, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT

I

WORK]NG

2

E]THER BY COURT ORDER, OR

3

ASSISTANCE. THE SYSTEM, WE

4

GET MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT,

5

A

ABSOLUTELY.

6

Q

OKAY. A}I

7

BY, ] --

GUESS, COUNSEL AIDED

WE WANT TO ENCOUF.AGE PEOPLE TO

IE

THEY NEED IT?

D THERE/ S REALLY NOTHING

UNCOMMON ABOUT

THAT,

8

HAVE LOTS OF DEEENDANTS WHO SEEK MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT,

9

CORRECT ?

10

A

ALL THE TIME.

11

Q

OliAY.

SO, IN THAT REGARD, THERE'S NOTHING

t2

THAT. HEY, I/iE GOT

13

RFIMARKABLE ABOUT THE FACT

l4

SPENT

A L]TTLE T]ME AT RIDGEVIEW.

15

DOESN /

T IT?

l6

A

YES, SIR.

t7

Q

OKAY.

SHE

18

l9

IN

__ AT NO POTNT I}J TTME DID

ANY WAY TO YOLI OR ANYBODY

20

A

NO/ SIR.

2t

Q

IN EACT,

22

DID

HAPPEI.]S

IN THE DA'S

'U{E

PARTICULARLY

SOMEBODY ON BOIID,

ALL THE TIME,

SHE APPEAR THREATE}]]NIG OFEICE?

SHE MADE NO THREATS AT ALL AGAINST ANYONE.

SHE ?

23

A

THAT' S CORRECT.

24

Q

SHE WEPT.

25

A

YEg.

I

MR. KlLGORE:

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THE COURT:

3

MS.

ANY

P,E

D] RECT

YOU.

?

ONE QUESTION.

JACKSON:

RED]RECT EXAMINATION

4 5

OKAY/ THANK

BY

JACKSON:

I'1S.

6

DID THE DEFENDANT. AT ANY POINT,

o

EXPRESS ANY CONCERIN

7

OVER THE IMPACT THAT HER BEHAVIOR HAS HAD ON ANY OE THESE

8

VICTIMS?

A

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NO.

HEP. MAII.I CONCERN WAS

HO]"IE, ACCOP,DING

--

Q

IT

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A

YES. I DON'T

I

13

THAN

1.1

I'IENT1O]'lED

15

WI]RE

HAD NO RECOLLECTIOI'l

SHE MENTIONED

PARI

RENIEMBER HER MENT]ONING

TIM LEE.

Or/ T

DIDI\l

ANYTH]NG.

OTHER

EVEF.YBODY ELSE SHE

'

T

KNOW hlHO TI]EY

.

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ALL ABOUT HER?

HEARING THE] NAME

I

WAS GETTING BACK TO HEF.

FROM WHAT SHE TOLD ME.

11

WAS

-_

TlM

LEE

?

DID SHE TALK ABOUT MICHAEL

AND HIS FAMI LY ?

S

l8

A

I'tO.

19

O

D]D SHE TALK ABOI]T SAI.' OLEl,lS ?

20

A

NO.

2t

O

DID SHE TALK ABOUT THE TACT THAT SHE HAD COTITACTED

27

SAM OLENS' CHILDREN

?

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A

NO.

24

a

TAKEN PHOTOGRAPHS OE TTM OLENS' HOUSE?

25

A

NC, Sl., -- N,, IvA'arl

.

I

2 3

Q

IT

A

THAT'S

WAS Oi'iLY ABOUT HER AND WHAT SHE I'']EEDED

AT

THAT

TI}lE? CORRECT.

4

MS. JACKSON: NOTHING

5

THE COURT: YOU CAN STEP

6

MR. K]I,GORE: JUDGE, COULD I ASK H]M ONE THING,

7

THE COURT: SURE.

9

N1F..

KILGORE:

IS

SHO!^J

TllE COURT:

OKAY.

12

1.+

SOR.RY.

CLEAF.,

RECORD

1l

l3

DOI/,iN.

PLEASE?

8

10

FURTHER.

HIM

RECROS S

JUST

A

-_ JUST TO MAKE SURE THE

COPY OF THE

!^JARRA}JT ?

EXAMINATION

BY MR. K]LGORE:

IT

Q

SHOULD

BE I}J THE F.ILE, BUT

LIKE ONE OE OUR

JUST FOR THE RECORD,

15

DOES TI]AT LOOK

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COURT? TYPICAL FORM WE HAVE?

tl

YES. SIR.

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AND I{HAT'S THE I,JARRANT IIUMBER OI] THEF.E?

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15-w-10338.

20

ALL RIGHT.

2t

AIID IS THAT THE WARF.AI]T CHARGING MS. I{CCOY WITH

22

ACCRAVATE

D

Q'I-AT

11 T

A

TT IS.

24

O

A],L RIGHT. CAI.'I

--

S

TRATE

\]''

23

2-5

WARRANTS HERE OL]T OF MAGI

CAN YOU E'LIP THAT OVER, PLEASE? YOI] SEE

ON

IT LISTS

1

THE PLACE WHERE

2

WITNESS LISTED ON THAT

j 1

ANYBOD/ ELSE

5

P.

I^TARRANT?

?

.

YOU DOIJ'T SEE

TIM LEE,S

NAME ON THEP'E AS

A

WITNESS,

NO.

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llR. KILGORE: ALL RIGHT.

ll

MS. JACKSON: ONE LAST

l2

THE COURT: SURE, GO AHEAD.

THANK

YOU

QUESTION.

FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINAT]ON

l3 BY

MS.

JACKSON:

ON ANY WARRANTS THAT YOU GUYS DO, DO YOU EVEP SEE ALL

O

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l6

A

DO YOLI ?

9

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OF

THE WITNESS' I'IAMES ON THOSE

A

17

IT' S

WARRAI.ITS ?

USUALLY THE LEAD OFEICER, OR I

F

THERE ]

S

I.]O

__ IT

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OFFI CER ]NVOLVED. THE LEAD

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BE

20

WITNESS

2t

O!'F1CEF. ASSIGNED AND THEY IAIEI.]T AND GOT THEIR OI,JN WAB.RANT.

THE PROSECUTOP..

22

O

?3

COUNT ,

24

BECAUSE

25

A

KENNEDY.

OKAY

O

7 8

S

JAMES STRAYHORN.

A

6

CAN YOU TELL US WHO'

!"i]TNESSES,

IN

--

THEY USUALLY PUT THE

BUT THAT'S REALLY LIKE MAYBE THE LEAD

THE CASE,

IF IT

h]AS

A

CASE WHERE THERE WAS

HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY BOND

]N

WOLTLD

__ AT ANY

YOUR EXPERIENCE. EVER NOT REPLIED TO

THE]R NAI,IE WASN' T II.] THE

NO, THAT' S USUALLY

COURT

NO

IN

COBB

A WITNESS

JUST

WARRP.I.IT ?

DONE

AT THE BOND HEARING

WHERE

1

THEY

LIST

THEM OUT.

2

MS.

3

THE COURT:

1

rJr.Ai,

JACKSON:

lnHL

J l1!rr.

ALL RIGHT, S]R, YOU

CA}'']

STEP DOWN; THAI',]K

YOU.

5

THE I,{ITNESS: THANK YOU, SIR.

6

THE COURT:

7

]"]S. JACKSON: THE STATE CALLS BETSY

8

THE COURT: tsETSY tiANSTAll

WHO,

S

NEXT? MANSTON

.

BETSY MANSTON.

9 10

HAV]NG BEEN F]RST DULY SWORN, WAS EXAMINED AND TESTIF'IED AS

1l

EOLLOWS:

12

D

I RI]CT EXAMINATIOI']

13

BY I"1S.

l4

Q

STATE YOUR NA}1E FOR THE RECORD.

i5

A

BETSY MANSTON.

16

Q

OKAY, ] MISPRONOUNCED IT PREVIOUSLY.

17

A

IT' S OKAY.

l8

Q

SPELL THAT EOR NIE. PLEASE?

l9

A

BETSY, B-E.T_S_Y, MANSTON/ M_A_N_S_T_O_N.

20

Q

THANK YOU.

.lACKSOI.]:

AND HOW ARE YOU EMPLOYED?

21

72 23

A

I

AM EMPLOYED BY COBB COUNTY PRETR]AL, AS

A

PF.ETR]AL

OFFICER.

24

Q

AND ARE YOU THE SUPERV]SING EMPLOYEE FOR MRS. MCCO1?

25

A

I

AM.

ANN ARE YOU THE SUPERVISING OFEICER

O

1

2

CASES?

)

A

I

4

O

OKAY.

AM.

HER' ARE AND AS PART OF YOUR SUPERVIS]NG OF

5

6

IN ALL OE HE,R

CHARGED

T/iHEREABOUTS

!,iITH KNOWING HER

S

YOU

AND HER STATUS?

7

THAT'

8

AIID BASED ON THAT. WHERE HAS THE DEEENDANT BEEN

9

CORF,ECT

THE 1-AST TWO OR THREE

A

10

SHE

IS

.

FOR

MONTTIS?

ORDERED TO RESIDE

AT THE 275

F'ARM

DRIVE. IN

11

MARIET'IA, GEORG]A. SHE }]AS ENTERED INTO RIDGEV]EI'i IN THE -_

t2

b]AS NOTIFIED BY HER ATTORI\]EY THAT SHE

13

RIDGEVIEV,/, AI.JD

14

THAT

T

_-

SHE HAD ENTERED INTO

GOT DOCUMENTATIOI'I ON EEBRUARY EIRST CONFIRI"lING

.

15

OKAY.

16

AND, EOR EXAMPLE, IT SHE WERE GOING TO RETURN TO

17

HOIJ S

18

<

E

TLT

a,MI''tiH

T r.r

DO GARDENING, OP, ANYTHING r] ,CI]E,

LIKE THAT,

HER

!.JAS THAT

D HAVE TO NOTIEY YOU ABOUT?

19

A

YES, BUT SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO

20

O

BASED ON HER BOND REQU]F.EMENTS. WAS SHE REQUIRED TO

21

22

GET

T

A

MENTA]- EVALUAT I

A

THAT,

IN 24

EVALUAT IO}IS

25

ri

S

RETURNI TO HER HOUSE.

ON ?

CORRECT

GENERAL.

.

HOVJ

DO YOU ]IANDLE THOSE }IENTAL

?

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE

ALL

PAPERWORK ON THOSE

I

EVALUATIONS. IN THIS

2

SHE

)

T!.iENTY-

4

OF THE ACTUAL

__

SHE APPEARED FOR

FIRST,

Q

5

EVALUAT I ON /

7

EVERY EVALUAT ION

PAPERI,.JORK

r]FTEEN, BUT I NEVER SO

1 CAN'T FOLLOW-UP

HOW OFTEN DO YOU GENERALLY

EVALUATION I TS,EL

RECE]VE

CONFIRMING TI1AT

A

RECETVED

A

COPY

ON _COPY OF THE

L'?

__

EVERY CASE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE THE

.

AIJD APPROXII'IATELY HOW LONG WOULD

9

l0

RECEIVED

EVALUATION APPO]NTI.,IENT ON DECET]BER

HER

TWO THOU SAN D

6

8

I

CASE

IT TAKE FOR YOU TO

RECEIVE THAT EVALUAT I ON ?

A

11

EVERYWHERE'S

DIFFERENT. I MEAN, MOST PLACES WE GET

t2

THEM PRETTY QUICKLY, WITHII.]

l3

BUS]NESS DAYS.

t4

OKAY.

l5

AND SO

IE

A

COUPLE

DAYS.

THE BOND WAS ORDERED

IN

SOME TATiE UP TO TEN

DECEMBER __

l6

A

UH_HU (AFF]

t7

O

_-

l8

DECEMBER __

19

A

SURE.

20

O

--

2t

A

YES.

22

Q

AND WHAT DOES THE ME}]TAL EVALUATION HELP YOU

A

IT __ IT

F

24

I

25

F'OLLOI/!7-UP

RMAT

IVtr

)

AND THE MENTAL EVAI,UATIOI{ WAS ORDERED II.I

WOULD YOU EXPECT TO HAVE ONE BACK BY NOW?

HtrLPS US Btr ABLtr TO TF,ACK HER

THEY WERE TO RECOMI,IEND ANY TREATMENT.

9.JE

IN

DO?

TRtr,1TMENT.

MAKE SURE THAT THEY

W]TH TREATMENT YiITHII.] FOUR?EEN' DAYS OF

THE

1

woul,p BE A VTOLATION.

ffira-r AND AS

2

IT

STAI',iDS

\]OT. YCU I{AV }JOT COI'IPLETED

ON YOUR PARTICULAR ORDER

--

J

PETITIOI.,] OI]

4

A

SURE.

5

o

-_

6

A

WJTH THE EVALUAT ] ON ?

7

o

8

A

9

]

I{OULD THE DEFENDANT BE

WOULD SAY

IN

THE

-_

COMPL]ANCE?

NO, BECAUSE !'JE DON'T HAVE AT] ACTUAL

EVALUAT]ON. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S -_ THERE'S MORE TO

l0

THE EVALUATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE

11

COPY.

Q

12

IN

ORDER FOR US TO GET A

SO HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO PROCEED AI':]D

_-

AND

BE

13

EFEECTIVE II.{ I'IONITORING THE DEEE},IDANT WITHOUT THAT EVALUATION

l4

BEING

DOI.,]E ?

15

T'M

16

AND TS THE DEEE}JDANT REQU]RED TO STAY COMPLIANT WITH

17

NOT

.

ATIY ]4ED]CATIONS AS PART OF YOUR

A

l8

I

DON'

T

HAVE AI'IYTHING STATII'JG THAT SHE'

19

ANY PRES'JRIPTIONS.

20

AND

21

PRESCRIPT]ON.

22

IT

Q

!^IORK?

]

S -- SHE'S

OLI

WASN'T AWARE THAT SHE'S TO BE TAKING ANY,

!,,]ASN'T ORDERED THAT SHE'S TO TAKE ANY CERTAIN TYPE

OE

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU GO CVEF, ALL ORDERS WITH

THE DI]FENDANT WHEN THEY ARE __ 24

YES.

25

BOTH YOUR ORDER,

THE PRETRIAL ORDER, AIID THE

COUF.T/

S

1

SURE THE DEFENDANT BOND ORDERS/ AND FOLLOW_UP TO MAKE

2

UNDERSTANDS EACH AND EVERY CONDITION

J

CORRECT

4

-_

--

.

OE THE

ORDERS ?

5

A

YES.

6

O

AND DO YOU CAUT]ON THEM ABOUT TALKING TO WITNESSES?

7

A

YES, AND __ AND

8

NO

,

9

WE

__

IF A

T,{E

LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S TO

NO ORDER

IS IN PLACE, AND IN THIS

CASE

WE DID TALK ABOUT NOT HAV]NG .

AND

10

IE

11

COMPLIANCE WITH

12

DIRECT YOUR

__

THERE WAS

A

AN ISSUE REGARDING

BOND, OR ANYTHING

BOND.

LIKE THAT/

VJHAT

OR DO

YOU

WHAT DO YOU DIRECT THEM TO DO THEN?

.

Do YOU

13

I'M

1.4

WHAT DO YOU DIRECT THE DEFENDANT TO DO

SORRY

I.^IHAT

MEAN ?

]T

THEY FEEL

15

THAT THERE, S AN ]SSUE WITH THE BOND, THEY'RE GO]NG TO HAVE

16

PROBLEMS COMPLY]NG, OR THEY

l7

V]OLATE __ VIOLATE THE CONDITIONS OF THEIR BOND. WHAT ARE

18

TOLD TO

__

THEY EEEL THAT THEY MIGHT THEY

DO?

A

19

BE

WE'RE TOLD

__

WE TELL THEM TO TALK TO THEIR ATTORNEY

A

MOTION TO MODTEY THEIR BOND

20

SO THAT THEIR ATTORNEY CAN DO

2t

CONDITIONS. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETH]NG THAT'S OUT OE' MY HANDS.

22

CAN'T

CHANGE WHAT THE JUDGE HAS ORDERED"

23

OKAY.

24

AND ARE YOU OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO TALK TO THE

25

DE EEN

DANT

AT ANY TIME THAT SHE HAS ANY QUESTIONS __

]

I

A

ABSOLUTELY.

2

o

_-

OR CONCERNS

?

3

MS. JACKSON: NOTH]NG

4

THE COUF.T: CROSS EXAMINATION.

5

MR. KILGORE:

BY

8

I

MR.

KILGORE: YOU BECAI"]E AWARE THAT SHE WAS

O

BACK UP

_- WELL. LET

ME

_-

l0

A

SLIRE.

ll

O

--

AND ASK YOU ABOUT THE EVAL.

YOU SAID YOU HAD CONFIRMAT]ON THAT SHE HAD BEEI\]

12

t3

EVALUAT

l4

A

YES, I

15

0

WHO

l6

A

I

17

OKAY.

CROSS EXAM]NATION

6 7

EURTHER.

SIGNED

ED?

BY

_

DO.

_

GOT

I.iHO DI

]T

D YOU GET THAT

EROM YOUR

EROM?

OEEICE, ]S THE LETTER THAT'S

KEV]N R]CHARDS.

l8

ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE THIS.

I9

OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE SHOI,{IIJG ML], '.1'H1S 1S S'1'RAlGH'1'

20

OU1'

OF' YOUR FTLE.

2l

A

SURE.

22

Q

THIS IS A LETTER

ON

lgq

z4

A

25

O

EROM THE FORENSICS SPECIALTY GROUP

FRASIER STRtrET __ Y

i,5.

__

CONFIRM]NG THAT SUSAN MCCOY APPEARED FOR

HEF.

1

EVALUATION AS SCHEDULED.

OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU

2 )

4 5

A

I DID NOT,

7

A

UH_HUH (AEEIRMATIVtr).

_-

AND CARLOS SAID ONCE THE EURTHER EXAM]NATTON THAT

Q

OKAY.

10

A

__ THAT I

t1

Q

ALL RIGHT.

WAS DONE

WOULD GET

A

-COPY OE THE EVALUATION.

SO YOU r/iERE NOTIFIED THAT EURTHER EVALUATION NEEDED

12

TO BE

DONE ?

14

A

YES.

15

Q

OKAY.

AND

t6

18

--

THEY NEED TO DO WAS

9

17

BECAUSE THE RELEASE WAS SIGNED OVER FOR

CARLOS __

Q

13

YOU EVER __

BY ANY CHANCE D]D YOU EVER KEVIN RICHARDS AND ASK HIM?

6

8

THIS. DID

IN PRETR]AL,

YOU CAN/

T

ORDER ANYBODY INTO

TREATMENT, CAN YOU?

A

I MEAN, ONCE THE EVALUATION'S DONE, ANY

TREATMENT

19

THAT'S RECOMMENDED, I CAN HELP ENFORCE THAT. BUT I DON'T

20

PEOPLE TO DO TREATMENT __

21

Q

ALL RIGHT.

22

A

__ IT IT'S

23

Q

ALL RIGHT.

NOT RECOMMENDED ON T:{E EVALUATION.

BUT YOU'RE AWARE 25

ORDER

IN THIS CASE, WE'RE KIND OF BEYOND

EVALUATION. IN FACT, YOU'RE

AWARE '1'HAT SHE WAS

]N

RIDGEVIE!,i

1

2 3

HOSP]TAL EOR A PER]OD OE WHAT, FIVE

A

I __ I DON'T

EXACT D]SCHARGE DATE

4

Q

OKAY.

5

A

-- THIS

6

THERE WASN'T

A

7

hLRE ABLE TO

Gl\E

8

Q

10

RI DGEVIEW.

l1

A

t2

0

l3 t4

DONE. SO, THAT'S ALL THAT THEY

OUR OFE']CE MAKE YOU AWARE THAT SHE WAS IN

__ AND, ]N EACT,

YES.

1l

HE HAD TOLD ME

18

OKAY.

I

TH]S CONEIRMING

THAT

DTD SPEAK WTTH CARLOS, AND HE HAD TOLD

IN R]DGEVIEW. I DON'T

ME

HAVE THAT EXACT DATE THAT

--

19

A

__ BUT I

20

Q

ALL

COULD GET YOU THAT DATE.

IF

YOU NEEDED IT

RTGHT.

21

AND YOU

22

ANY TIME THAT SHE

*. 1T __

YOU HAVE NOT NOTIEIED

MS.

IS IN __ WELL, LET ME PUT IT THIS

YOU HAVEN'T FILED

REVOKE, HAVE

YOU WERE ABLE TO CONEIRM THAT?

R]DGEVIEW ACTUALLY SENT ME

THAT SHE WAS

A

WOULD RELEASE TO ME BECAUSE

ALL RIGHT.

16

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FROM RIDGEVIEb]

THOUGH ?

SHE WAS THERE/ BUT

24

ALL I GOT

ME.

15

-J

WAS

OKAY.

AND

A

ALL THEY

RELEASE EORM

DID -- DID

9

HAVE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING !,iHEN HER

WAS. THIS

WAS

WEEKS?

YOU?

NO, I HAVE NOT.

A PETITION WITH TH]S

MCCOY AT

WAY.

COURT TO

Q

I

OKAY.

AND YOU HAVEN/T NOT]FIED HER THAT SHE'S

2 3

VIOLATION OE

4

--

OF ANY

I -_

I

I MEAN, THAT I !,iASN'T

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE CAME UP TODAY

THAT

6

EOR THINGS THAT

Q

PLACEMENT

A

OE, SO I CAN ONLY EILE

KNOW OE.

ALL RIGHT, AND ARE

10 11

1

AWARE

OKAY.

8

9

OE ANY CONDITIONS, HAVE YOU?

A

5

7

--

]N A

YOU AWARE

THAT, IN EACT, SHE HAS

LONG TERM CARE FACILITY?

THE THIRTY_FIVE DAY TREATMENT CENTER? YES,

Q

AL], RIGHT. AND HOW DID THAT COME TO

13 1.4

A

CARLOS HANDED

15

Q

ALL RIGHT.

l6

]T

YOU?

TO ME TODAY.

DO YOU HAVE THAT WITH YOU?

17

A

I

l8

Q

ALL RIGHT, COULD ] SEE

19

A

SURE.

20

Q

AND

21

SOMEONE

22

__

]S

DO.

IN

THAT?

DO]NG YOUR WORK AS

RECOMMENDED

YOUR OFFICE DOSEN'T

A

PRETRIAL OTT]CER, ]E

TO RECEIVE MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT,

__ ]

IT' S NEEDED, A

THAT __

ABSOLUTELY.

YOU

MEAN, YOU CONCUR WITH THAT, DON'T

YOU? I MEAN, YOU AGF,EE THAT IE IT/ S __ IF IT' S

25

I __ I

GOT THAT NOTITICATION TODAY.

12

24

IN __ IN

tr.ECOMMENDED,

IF

1

O

__ THAT NEEDS TO BE

2

A

R]GHT.

3

Q

ALL RIGHT.

DONE?

AND SO YOU'VE RECEIVED TH]S TODAY INDICATING THAT MS.

4

]S

APPROVED EOR

5

MCCOY

6

AS EARLY AS

7

A

YES.

8

Q

ALL RIGHT.

YESTERDAY

A RES]DENTIAL TREATMENT

?

AND DlD YOU ALSO RECEIVE FLIGHT INEORMAT]ON

9 10

TOMORROW, FRIDAY THE EIGHTEENTH,

11

OE THIS

EOR

TO FLY TO AR]ZONA TO BE A

A

YES.

l3

Q

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY

14

RECOVERY

IN

V\r'AY

TO EOLLOW UP ON THIS AT SABINO

TUCSON, AR] ZONA?

l6

A

AS LONG AS A RELEASE EORM IS SIGNED OVER __

t7

Q

OKAY.

18

A

__ WITH MY NAME ON IT.

20

Q

OKAY.

2l

A

__

22

Q

AND PRETR]AL DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO MS.

19

23

IT

PART

PROGRAM?

12

15

CENTER BEGINNING

THEN YEAH,

]

CAN EOLLOW_UP

ON

__

AND TRACK

IT.

GETTING THE HELP THAT SHE NEEDS, DO

24

A

NO OBJECTION.

25

Q

OKAY. 61

YOU?

MCCOY

1

MR. KILGORE

2

THE COURT:

J

MS.

4

THE COURT:

5

THE W]TNESS

THANK YOU.

6

MS.

THE STATE CALLS _-

7

THE COURT:

8

MS.

THANK YOU.

ANY REDI

RECT ?

NO, YOUR

JACKSON

HONOR.

YOU CAN STEP DOWN, THANK YOU.

JACKSON

WHO'

-_

JACKSON

I

S NEXT, PLEASE. DOCTOR MATTHEW NORMAN

.

MATTHEW NORMAN,

10

HAVING BEEN FIRST DULY SWORN, WAS EXAM]NED AND TESTIFIED AS

l1

EOLLOWS

:

DIRECT EXAMINAT I ON

).2 13

BY MS. JACKSON:

14

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

l5

MATTHEW NORMAN,

16

HOW

1.7

I

18

PSYCH]ATRY,

i9 20

ARE YOU EMPLOYED?

HAVE

A

A

SINCE TWO THOUSAND AND

22

I

25

GEORGIA.

AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN EMPLOYED

AND T.JHAT

24

PRIVATE PRACTICE OE GENERAL AND EORENSIC

IN ATLANTA,

2t

23

M_A-T-T_H-E_W, N-O-R-M-A-N.

PHYCOLOGY

]S

IN

THAT CAPACITY?

TWO.

YOUR EDUCATION?

COMPLETED MY UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE MAJORING IN

AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA __ MR" KILGORE: JUDGE. I'M GOING TO STIPULATE TO

NORMAN/S CREDENTIALS.

I'VE

WORKED

WITH HIM

IN THE

DR.

PAST,

I

HE'S A PERSONAL ER]END OE M]NE, AND I -_ AND I __ I

2

HE,S AN EXPERT IN WHAT HE

DOES.

J

MS. JACKSON: THANK

4

THE COURT: WE,LL ACCEPT HIM AS SUCH.

O

5

6

YOU.

(BY MS. JACKSON) AND HAVE YOU BEEN CONSULTING WITH

THE STATE ON THE CASE, THE STATE VERSUS SUSAN

7

A

]

8

Q

AND ARE YOU EAMILIAR I,dITH THE FACTS

9

A

SOME OE THEM, YES.

10

Q

AND HOW

A

YOU ED ME, AND WE,VE HAD

1l

AGREE

IiAVE

MCCOY?

.

]N THE CASE?

IS IT YOU'RE EAMILIAR WITH THE

EACTS

IN

THE

CASE ?

1a

A

COUPLE OF'

__

A

l3

COUPLE OE TEIEPHONE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OE THE FACTS ABOUT

t4

THE CASE, AS WELL AS YOU PROVIDED ME WITH SOME DOCUMENTS THAT

15

],VE

HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW.

16

Q

SO WHAT DOCUMENTS HAVE YOU REVIEWED?

17

A

I,VE

REV]EII]ED

A

ONE PAGE DOCUMENT FROM

A

DOCTOR KEV]N

18

RICHARDS. THAT WAS DATED DECEMBER TWENTY_SECOND OF TWENTY

t9

FIFTEEN. IT'S

JUST

A

ONE PAGE DOCUMENT.

]N ADDITION ]

20

IF I

HAD

A

COPY OE AN EMAIL EROM PAUL

21

CAMARILLO.

22

BAS]CALLY

23

TWENTY_NINTH OF TWO THOUSAND AND SIXTEEN.

24 25

PRONOUNCED

A VlSlT

]

THAT CORRECTLY, RELATED TO

A --

THAT HE HAD EROM MS. MCCOY ON FEBRUARY

WAS ALSO PROV]DED

A

COPY OE

A

COBB COUNTY POLICE

DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATIVE SUMMERY, SUMMARIZING MOSTLY

I

ALLEGATIONS RELATED TO MS. MCCOY, S CASE, AND ATTORNEY GENERAL

2

OLEN S

.

IN ADDIT]ON TO THAT, TODAY I

3

GOT SOME RECORDS RELATED

4

TO __ EROM RIDGEV]EW HOSPITAL, THAT S]MPLY WAS KIND OF A

5

PAGE VER]EICATION TIiAT SHE HAD ATTENDED THE PARTIAL

6

HOSPITALIZATION

7 8

I 10

S?

I DlD

A

THAT IS

i1

REVIEW SOME DOCUMENTS REGARD]NG MICHAEL PARTS/

CORRECT.

OKAY.

O

AND DO YOU EVALUATE DEEENDANTS AS PART OE

t2 13

PROGRAM.

AND YOU A],SO REVIEWED DOCUMENTS REGARDING MICHAEL

O

PARI

A

YES.

15

O

__

16

A

t7

O

AND YOU WORK FOR THE STATE AND FOR THE

18

A

YES.

19

o

OKAY.

S

TALK]

__

AND ON THE EORENSIC SIDE?

DEFEN SF]?

NG ?

YES.

22

Q

25

FORENSIC SIDE

AND ARE YOU EAM]LIAR THAT THE DEEENDANT'S CHARGE WITH

20

24

YOUR

WORK __

14

2l

ONE

AND

DANGEROUSNtrSS

A

YES.

HAVtr YOU RtrAD ANY STUDItrS RtrGARD]NG THE POSSIBLE

OF DEEENDANTS CHARGED WITH STALKING? SO PART

__

PART OF MY PRACTTCE

IS

DOING

1

EVALUAT]ONS FOR WHAT THEY CALL V]OLENCE RISK ASSESSMENT. THOSE

2

INCLUDE SOME ]ND]VIDUALS W]TH STALKING CHARGES,

3

TNDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NOT HAVE STALKING CHARGES. BUT

4

EMPLOYER/ EMPLOYEE S]TUATION WHERE THERE MAY

5

A

6

EVALUATION, BUT PART OF MY PRACT]CE

7

ASSESSMENTS.

8

Q

9

STATEMENT, AND

IT'S

ESSENTIALLY CALLED

IT'S

AN

BE SOMEONE WHO

MADE

A E]TNESS EOR DUTY

DOING V]OLENCE RISK

AND BASED ON YOUR STUDIES WITH VIOLENCE RISK

ASSESSMENTS, YOU REVIEWED THE MATERIALS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY

A

ABOUT

ll

PUBL]C OEE]CIALS, PEOPLE

12

THEM?

A

A

PARTICULAR S]TUAT]ON OE'

10

13

IS

SOME

SO THEIR

WHO

PERSON,

A

E'EMALE, WHO STALKS

ARE NOT PERSONALLY RELATED

__ WITHIN THE LITERATURE OF STALKERS AND

14

STALKING BEHAVIOR. ONE, SOMEONE THAT'S

i5

STALKING MALES, ALLEGEDLY

IS

A

TEMALE STALKER

NOT AS COMMON AS __

MR. K]LGOF.E: JUDGE/ I, LL TELL YOU WHAT. YOU

l6

TO

I THINK ]'M

KNOI,{

A __ JUST A

17

WHAT/

18

GENERAL CONVERSATION ABOUT

l9

MATERIALS AND HAS SOME OPINION.

20

PARTICULARLY RELEVANT, BUT TT I^]OULD CERTAINLY BE

21

RELEVANT THAN JUST SOME

22

PEOPLE CHARGED W]TH STALKING

23

CASE. 1

24

COULD BE TALKINC ABOUT PEOPLE WHO EVENTUALLY USE VIOLENCE.

25

OR

GOING TO OBJECT TO JUST

__

DON/T KNOW WHAT

IT.

IE HE'S

REVIEWED SPEC]F'IC

I DON'T

KNOW THAT

1T'S

MORE

SOME GENERAL CONVERSAT]ON ABOUT

IN GENERAL.

IT IS HE'S

TALKING

__ I DON'T KNO!{, BUT I DON'T TH]NK IT'S 71

HER CASE

IS

ABOUT.

RELEVANT.

HER

Wtr

1

THE COURT: WHAT, S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

2

MS. JACKSON: OKAY. THE

PARAGRAPH

IS TALKING ABOUT

)

THE DEEENDANT,S DANGEROUS, G]VEN HER BEHAVIOR, THE

4

THAT SHE'S NOT ON MEDICATION, AND HER GENERAL HARASSING

5

AND INTIMIDATING BEHAV]OR.

FACT

6

THE COURT: WELL, THE OUESTION

7

MS. JACKSON:

8

THE COURT: THE QUESTION GOES TO THE RELEVANCY OE THE

DOCTOR NORMAN

GOES

TS --

THAT ,

LITERATURE THAT HE REV]EWED TO THIS CASE.

9

t0

OB JECT

I

THE

ON .

MS. JACKSON: RIGHT.

l1

S

DOCTOR NORMAN

IS -- I

WTLL ASK

THE QUESTION MORE ARTEULLY __

1,2

13

THE COURT: OKAY.

11

MS. JACKSON: -- BUT DOCTOR

NORMAN

IS

ACTUALLY GOING

15

TO TALK ABOUT SPEC]E]C LITERATURE THAT HE' S REVIEWED

16

FEMALE STALKERS WHO STALK PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE NOT

t1

PERSONALLY RELATED.

THE COURT:

l8

I,LL

ABOUT

OVERRULE THE OBJECTION, ASSUMING

19

THAT

IT'S

20

Q

(BY MS. JACKSON) DOCTOR, GO AHEAD.

2t

A

WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STUDIES, AND IN

GO]NG TO GO TO SOME MORE SPECIE']CS.

A

MY

22

EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING, THERE ARE

23

WH]CH ARtr

24

PSYCHIATRISTS, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY/ THEY THEN BREAK STALKING

25

DOWN

NUMBER OE

STUDIES, MOST

OF

IN THtr E'ORtrNSIC/PSYCHIATRIC LITtrRATURE, SO EOR,ENSIC

INTO DIEEERENT SUBCATEGORIES, EIGHT ROUGH SUBCATEGORIES. 72

IS !{HAT IS

1

THE ONE THAT THIS PARTICULAR CASE DEALS WITH

2

CATEGORIZED AS

3

WRONGED

4

TO APPLY THAT BEHAVTOR INAPPROPRIATELY TOWARDS THE TARGETS OR

5

THE VICT]MS OF THEIR STALK]NG BEHAVIOR.

6 7 8

Q

IN

A

RESENTEUL STALKER, WHERE THEY ARE

SOME WAY, OR MISTREATED

BASED ON THE STUDIES, VJHAT

DANGEROUSNESS OE' THESE TYPES

A

OF

SOME WAY, AND THEN START

]S THE

POTENTTAL

PERSONS?

ON. JUDGE, OBVIoUSLY I'M

GOING

HAVE TH]S W]TNESS SAY THE

WORST

COME

THAT. LET'S

10

TO OBJECT TO

l1

POSSIBLE CASE SCENARIO THAT DOESN,

12

WITH THIS PART]CULAR CASE.

]F

13

THEY FEEL

SO THE _-

MR. KILGORE: oH

9

IN

-_

HE/

T

HAVE ANYTHING TO

S GOT SOMETHING RELEVANT TO

DO

PARAGRAPH FOUR/

14

I,,,]HICH

SAYS, THE DEEENDANT'S A DANGER TO THE COMMUN]TY,

15

SHE'S

DEMONSTRATED ]RRATIONAL BEHAVIOR AETER RECENT

l6

HOSPITALTZATTON. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S

17

CHARGED HERE AS

18

HAS GOT TO BE FOCUSED AROUND WHAT THE ALLEGATION IS.

i9

OTHERWISE

A VIOLATION. SO, I THINK THE EXAMINATION

IT/S JUST NOT

RELEVANT.

MS. JACKSON: I CAN -- !{ELL -- WELL, YOU

20

2l

REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

22

Q LITERATURE

(BY MS. JACKSON) BAStrD ON YOUR STUDY OF

ON

BEEN"

KNOW,

THE

AND YOUR STUDY OF THE POLICE REPORTS/ WERE

24

ABLE TO DETERMINE !^iHAT TYPE OF STALKING BEHAVIOR THE

25

WAS ENGAGING IN? 73

YOU

DEFENDANT

1

A

YES.

2

O

OKAY.

IS

THAT?

3

!{HAT TYPE OE BEHAVIOR

4

]T,

5

AND BASED ON THAT TYPE OE STALKING BEHAV]OR'

THE RESENTEUL STALKING BEHAVIOR.

6

THE DEEENDANT, S BEHAVIOR BE CONSISTENT W]TH

1

WOULD THE DEEENDANT,S BEHAV]OR

8

REVENGEFUL STALKER?

9

WOULD

_- I''ITH THE

__

BE CONSISTENT I,d]TH THAT OE A

YES.

A

AND BASED ON THAT,

10

WOULD

V,IHAT

BE __ WHAT WOULD BE

11

APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION TO ASK THE COURT TO DO TO ENSURE

12

THAT SOCIETY WOULD NOT BE

13

BEHAVIOR.

HARMED

AN

BY THIS PARTICULAR DEFENDANT'

MR. KILGORE: JUDGE, OBVIOUSLY THAT, S OBJECT]ONABLE.

14

l5

SHE'S EITHER VIOLATED THE CONDITIONS OR SHE HASN'T. IT/S

16

__ IT'S

t7

TO

18

-_

NOT UP TOR HIM TC DETERMINE !^IHAT THE COURT NEEDS

WHERE THE COURT NEEDS TO GO EROM HERE.

IF __ IF

THE COURT ULTIMATELY MAKES

WE'VE HEARD

IS IN

A F]NDING

ANY WAY. SHAPE, OR EORM, A

19

SOMEHOW WHAT

20

VIOLATION OF HER BOND CONDITION, AT THAT POINT

2l

THE COURT WANTS TO HEAR

22

THINK WE OUGHT TO DO ABOUT THAT, SHOULD

23

HEtr. GOT TO ARIZONA OR

24

TIME TO ASK THESE OUESTIONS.

25

EROM

A

THAT

IN TIME ]F

!,,]ITNESS, HEY, !,iHAT DO

__

YOU

SHOULD WE LET

NOT? THAT WOULD BE TIIE

APPROPR]ATE

SO, I JUST __ AT THIS POINT IN T]ME IT, S NOT -- TT, S

A

RELEVANT

INQUIRY. IT'S UP TO YOU TO DETERMTNE

I

NOT

2

FACTUALLY SHE'S EITHER VIOLATED OR SHE HASN'T.

THE COURT: YEAH,

3

4

I,M

GOING TO SUSTAIN THAT

OBJECTION.

5

MS. JACKSON:

6

THE COURT:

7

MS. JACKSON: I'LL -- I/LL ASK -- I/LL ASK IT

8

DITTERENT WAY.

9

Q

OKAY.

] THINK IT CALLS EOR A

LEGAL CONCLUSION. A

(BY MS. JACKSON) BASED ON THE POLICE REPORTS THAT

IF

10

YOU READ,

1l

TYPE OE BEHAVIOR THAT HAS BEEN REPRESENTED

12

REPORTS

IJ

THAT DEEENDANT TO HAVE TO BE MEDICATED?

YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT SOMEONE WHO ENGAGED

AS -- IN

IN THE

IN

THE

POLICE

REEERENCE TO THE DEFENDANT, WOULD YOU EXPECT

t4

A

15

]TTED TO

16

DIAGNOSIS WITH THE ALLEGED STALKING BEHAVIOR, NONE COMPLIANCE

17

W]TH MEDICAT]ONS SIGNIFICANTLY lNCREASES THE R]SK OE' VIOLENT

18

BEHAVIOR.

19

Q

T WOULD. TN MY EXPERIENCE TF

A

PSYCHIATR]C HOSPITAL AND HAS

A

PSYCH]ATR]C

OKAY.

AND SO HYPOTHETICALLY,

20

SOMEONE HAS BEEN

A

PERSON

SAID __

BEEN

2t

HOSPITALIZED, I'M TH]NK]NG CLEARLY NOW, ]'M __ SO I DON'T

22

TO TAKE ANY MEDICATION, WOULD THAT BE AN AREA OE

A 24 25

CONCERN?

AS A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST/ THAT WOULD BE AN AF,EA

CONCERN, YES, IT !,iOULD.

Q

HAVE

AND WHAT WOULD THE CONCERN BE? 75

OF

A

1

THAT WHETHER THAT WAS

A

A -_

WHETHER THAT WAS

AT

THE

PRESCRIBING PHYSICIAN TO DISCONTINUE THOSE

2

DIRECT]ON OE

-)

MEDICATIONS, OR THAT WAS AT THE DISCRETION OE THE INDIVIDUAL

4

WHO'

5

NOT BE THINKING CLEARLY.

6

S ACCUSED OF THE ALLEGED STALKING BEHAVIOR AND __ AND MAY

Q

AND !^IHAT WOULD

--

HOW WOULD

--

HOW WOULD

THE

NOT

7

TH]NKING CLEARLY. HOh] WOULD THAT BEHAVIOR BE MANIFESTED IN

8

SOMEONE

9

I,iITH THIS PARTICULAR __

A

USUALLY THE RESENTEUL STALKERS ARE

IS

__

THEY HAVE

__

10

DELUSION, THEY HAVE SOME PSYCHOSIS THAT

11

THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THINKING CLEARLY, AND

t2

A LOT OE OTHER PEOPLE,

13

THEIF. CL]N]CIANS I,iOULD D]SAGREE. AND WOULD

14

MAINTA]N THEIR MED]CATION AND MAINTAIN THEIR MENTAL HEALTH

15

TREATMENT.

16

Q

AND

IF

OR

IE

PRESENT, AND

IF

SOME

YOU TALK TO

YOU TALK TO THE]R CLINICIANS, RECOMMEND

THAT THEY

THEY ARE NOT ON TREATMENT, WOULD YOU

__

UNDER

17

TREATMENT, OR MAINTAIN]NG THEIR TREATMENT, WOULD YOU EXPECT

18

THEM TO BEG]N THAT STALK]NG BEHAVIOR AGAIN?

19

20

A

I

AND

WOULD EXPECT THEM TO POTENTIALLY REENGAGE

IN

THAT

BEHAVIOR.

21

Q

WHATEVER THAT BEHAVIOR WAS?

22

A

WHATEVER THAT BEHAVIOR WAS BEFORE.

Q

AND WHAT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ESCALATION OF THAT

24 25

BEHAVIOR?

A

THAT'S THE R]SK, ]S THE RISK EROM ALL THE STUDIES/ 76

IN

MY EXPER]ENCE,

IS

THAT

-- THAT IT'S

THE NON_TREATMENT

1

AND

2

THE MENTAL ILLNESS THAT CAN ALLOW THE BEHAVIOR TO CONTINUE AND

3

ESCALATE.

Q

4 5

6 7 8

9

THAT

OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAY ESCALATE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN

WELL, IT DEPENDS ON ViHAT BASELINE IT A THE _- THE I/,IOF.ST RISK IS A RISK EOR VIOLENCE.

Q

AND

IE

STARTED

AT,

NICE EMAILS, THEN STARTED GOING TO MORE EMAILS/ AND

THEN

11

NEXT STEPS TO BE?

MR. KILGORE: I'M GOING TO OBJECT TO THE

12

BUT

YOU START OUT WITH EMAILS, MULTIPLE EMAILS,

STARTED GO]NG TO ]MPLIED THREATS, WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT TTiE

EORM OE THE

13

QUESTION. INSTEAD OE SOME GRAND, BROAD GENERALIZATION,

t1

LET'S

l5

SHOW

t6

SEE WHAT

SHOW EXACT]-Y WHAT

TT IS SHE'S SUGGESTING. LET'S

HIM EXACTLY WHAT __ WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? LET'S

IT IS.

THE COURT:

THIS.

1 TH]NK, I

AND YOU ALL CAN EIGURE OUT

19

ONE QUESTION

20

MESSAGES RELATE TO THE CONCEPT OT BEING

2t

STALKER? THAT'S REAT,I,Y SOMETHING I NEED ANSWERED.

I

NEED ANSWERED

SO, ] THINK OVERLY

IS,

YOUR QUESTION'S

BROAD. 1'M

HOW

BUT YOU KNOW. ONF __

TO POSE

OR

CAN JUST ASK

IT,

18

22

BY

?

10

17

OF

HOW DO THESE TEXT

A

RESENT!'UL

A LITTLE BIT

OVER __

GOTNG TO SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION/ BUT

24

THINK THAT LOOKING AT WHAT I^iE HAVE FROM THIS

25

CONDITION BEEORE THAT'S OCCURRED 11

IS

WHAT'S

I

BOND

*- A

QUESTION

I

1

NF]ED TO HAVE ANSWERED, WHAT DO THE CURREI]T EACTS

2

AtsOUT

J

CONDITION.

4

Q

5

THIS

DEEENDANT AI.i

(BY MS.

JACKSON

A

7

PEC!-'JT

I DON'T TE\T

I'VE

KNOW THAT

HAVE YOU HAD THE

MS. JACKSON: MAY I

9

THE COURT: YES.

(BY MS. JACKSON)

10

?

HAD AN OPPOF.TUNITY TO SEE THE

MLSSAGES.

8

1l

__

OPPORTUNITY TO V]EW THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT WERE SENT

6

US

D THiS RESEN?FUL STAIKI}.IG

HAVE YOU

)

TELL

I'M

APPROACH THE WITNESS?

GOING TO SHOW YOU STATE'S

EXHIBITS ONE, TWO AND THREE. A

12

YES.

IJ

HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUI.]ITY TO REV]EW THEI"{?

14

VtrC

l5

AND WOULD MESSAGES OE THAT TYPE BE CO}ISISTENT IiiITH

16

T IIA\/tr

THE TYPE OF BEHAVIOR EXEMPLIElED BY THE RESENTFUL STALKER?

SO

17

IE

SOMEONE

HAS BEEN INSTRUCTED TO NOT MAKE

18

WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL. AI.JD HAS NOT BEEN

l9

WITH THAT,

20

IN

21

-- ]S A --

23

PSYCH]ATRIC STANDPOINT,

IT IS AN

HAS BEEN COMPLY]NG

IE

THEY THEN

REENGAGE

ESCALAT]ON OE THE BEHAVIOR AND

IS

OE CL]NICAL CONCERN R]SK FACTOR. NOW, I,I]HAT

IF

THEY ARE ENGAG]NG WITH PEOPLE CLOSE TO

THE OB.TECT OF THEIR PREV]OUS

A

24 25

A

THAT BEHAVIOR,

Q

22

EROM

__

__

THAT OE'TEN T]MES _- OETEN TIMES

THAT THE GOAL

IS

TO

CAUSE PATN

A

RESEI.ITEUL STALKER

TO SOMtrONtr ELSE

IN

SOMtr WAY

A

THAT THEY EELT L]KE THEY HAD PUT ON THEMSELVES. THAT'S

DO. AND IF

WHAT

2

THF' B.ESENTEUL STALKER TRYS TO

3

THE PERSON

4

AROUND THE PERIPHERY AND SEE HOW THEY CAN GET TO THOSE PEOPLE,

5

GET AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN TO THAT PERSOIJ AT THE COP,E, PEOPLE AT

6

THE CORE OE THE ISSUE, AND START ING THEM.

7 8

Q OBJECT

THEY' RE TOLD NOT IO

AT THE CORE, AT THE CENTER, THEY MAY

AND !.JOULD THAT IIICLUDE

A _- A

CLOSE I'RIEND OF THE

?

o

A

YES, CLOSE ER]END OR EAMILY

l0

Q

I,'OULD

IT

MEMBER.

]NCLUDE MAYBE REFI]RENCE TO SOMETH]NG,

11

SOMETHINIG THAT THE OBJECT OE THE STALKING WOULD ONLY

12

UNDERSTAND, WOULD BE

13

WALK

A

YES,

A

AN]D THE

__

WOULD

REFERENCE TO THEM?

-- AT THE END OE THE DAY, THE CONCERI.]S IS

t4

OF' THE EORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST

l5

THE II\]DIVIDUAL, S HEAD WHO, S ACCUSED OF. THE ALLEGED STALKING,

t6

THAT THEY HAVEN'T LET

l7

TREATMENT,

l8

NOT THERE ANYI'1ORE, AND THEN THE BEHAVIOR CAI\] STOP.

t9

Q

IS

THAT THE THOUGHTS ARE

IT GO. THAT'S

THE WHOLE POINT OF

SO THAT TH]S CAN BE LET GO

AND SO

IF A

STILL ]N

]N THEIR M]ND SO ]T'S

PERSON WAS TOLD NOT TO A

A

20

PARTICULAR PERSON/ AND THEY ED

2t

REEEREIICING AN OBLIGATION, OR SOMETHING ABOUT 'IHAT RELATIOI.ISHIP

22

WITH THE THIRD PARTY, WOULD THAT BE CONSTSTENT WITH BEI.IATJIOP,

A 25

OF

A

IT

STANDPOINT,

CLOSE FRIEND OE THEIRS,

THE

RESENTFUL STALKER?

WOULD, BECAUSE

IT

IT

SAYS, FROM A CL]NITION'S

SAYS THAT THE PERSON 19

]S ST]LL

THINKING ABOUT

THE

I

TARGET. THE ORIGINAL TARGET VICTIM OE THE STALK]NG, AND THEY'VE

2

ST]LL GOT IT IN THEIR HEAD, AND THAT'S THE

3

IS THAT IT'S ST]LL ]N THEIR HEAD.

4

Q

AND ON

TYPES.

__

CONCERNING BEHAVIOR,

ONE OTHER QUEST]ON REGARD]NG THE REVENGEE'UL

HOW DO THEY

]NTERACT? WHY IS IT THAT EVEN

5

STALKER

6

THEY HAVE

7

WHO TRY TO HELP THEM TO STOP THE BEHAVIOR, ARE UNABLE

8

ON THEIR

9 10

A

SYSTEM, THEY HAVE EAM]LY OR ERIENDS

TO

THAT' S WHERE

_-

MR. KILGORE: JUDGE, I,M GOING TO OBJECT AGAIN. I

--

WE,RE SO EAR AEIELD TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE

MEAN, WE

t2

GENERAL CONCEPTS. FOR GOODNESS SAKES,

13

TH]S CASE. IT,S JUST NOT __ IT'S JUST NOT RELEVANT.

LET'S TALK

ABOUT

HE'S NEVER EVALUATED THE WOMAN, JUDGE. I MEAN/ IE

15

HE'S GOT

16

COURT COULD HEAR ABOUT

17

*- THIS IS LIKE

18

TOPIC THAT'S WAY TOO GENERAL.

19

EORM OE THE

20

STOP

OWN?

l1

14

WHEN

SOMETHING VERY SPECIEIC TO

TH]S CASE, ] TH]NK

THE

IT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

SOME SORT OF CLASS OR SOMETHING ON

]'M

_-

ON A

GO]NG TO OBJECT TO THE

QUEST]ON. ITIS JUST NOT RELEVANT.

MS. JACKSON: IT/S

IN

PEREECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR AN EXPERT

TO,

21

TO REVIEW MATERIALS

22

ON THEIR EXPERTiSE AND EXPERIENCE, TO BE ABLE TO

23

QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. OR MAKE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT

24

SPECIFIC -- SPECIEIC CASE, WITHOUT HAV]NG ACTUALLY

25

EVALUATED THE SUB.]ECT

THE CASE AND TO BE ABLE

__ THE SUB.]ECT 80

__

BASED

ANSWER

T,LL

IT.

ALLOW

I

THE COURT: GO AHEAD.

2

MS. JACKSON: __ BASED ON EACTS WHICH THE EXPERT BEEN SUPPLIED I"i]TH.

3

THE COURT:

4

I' M GOING

TO ALLO!^J IT

5

Q

(BY MS. JACKSON) OKAY,

6

A

YES.

SORRY.

7

Q

I,LL

REPEAT MY QUESTION.

8

A

THANK YOU.

9

Q

OKAY. HOW

10

-_

HO!{

IS IT

],LL

.

REPEAT

THAT SOMEONE WHO

--

IS A

1l

STALKER TYPE

IS

12

IF

A

l3

OR OTHERS, TO TRY TO HELP THEM STOP THE BEHAVIOR?

THEY HAVE

A

t4 15

HAS

A

]N

UNABLE TO STOP

O

STOP THEIR BEHAVIOR, EVEN

SYSTEM, OR ERIENDS, OR FAMILY ,

THE MAJORITY OE THOSE CASES,

MENTAL ILLNESS THAT'S

16

-- TO

AND

REVENGEEUL

IF

--

THAT'

IT'S

BECAUSE THERE'S

S UNTREATED, OR UNDER

TREATED.

YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH FACTS THAT EVEN WITH A

t7

SYSTEM, EVEN WITH SPECITIC RULES THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN

18

PLACE, WHERE YOU HAVE THAT PERSON THAT CONTINUES TO TRY TO FIND

19

!,JAYS TO OR VIOLATE THOSE RULES. i/iHAT DOES THAT

20

INDICATE

?

A

21

WELL THAT,

]N ADDITION TO

SEEING THAT THERE WAS THIS

22

VISTT TO RlDGEVIEW HOSPITAL, IN ADDITION TO A

23

CoNVERSATION WITH SOMEONE

I'M 25

IN

THE COBB DA'S OtrtrICtr SAYING/ HEy,

NOT TAKING MY MED]CATIONS. AND

TO ME, AS

A CLINICIAN, TIIAT

FOLLOW_UP

] LEET. GIVES THE

INDICATION

TI1AT TIIE MENTAL ILLNtrSS IS 81

1

ONE, T}IERE IS A MENTAL ILLI']ESS; AND TWO, IT 1S I]IGHLY LIKELY

2

]T, S

3

STILL THINKING

I

ED AND BEEN TOLD NOT TO .

UI']DER TREATED

AT THE

CUP.RENT STAGE. AN"D THAT THE PERSON,

S

ABOUT THE TARGETS THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY HAD

BE ]N

5

b]OULD YOU SAY THAT THOSE TARGETS I,{OULD

6

MR. KILGORE: I'M GOING TO OBJECT. THAT'S -- THAT'S

7

WAY TOO GEI'JERAL, THAT'

8

Q

9 10

S

WAY TOO BROAD

.

(BY N1S. JACKSON) BASED ON WHAT YOU .TUST REVIEI'JED,

AND WHAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING

?IC,

DANGER?

IS OF THIS

CASE AND OF TH]S

h]CULD YOU SAY TIIAT TItOSF TARGETS WOULD BE

11

MR. KILGORE:

12

THE COURT:

l3

GO AHEAD.

14

THE T,iTTNESS:

IN

DA},]GER?

REIJEW MY OBJECTION.

I'M

GOING TO OVERF.ULE.

ALL RIGHT. ASSESSING DANGEROUSNESS IS

t5

A DIFEICULT TH]NG, OE COURSE, A}']D

t6

DAI,]GEROUSNESS.

17

SAYS THAT THEY ARE

18

TREATMENT.

I THINK A

PREDICTING

THE KEY ISSUE

IS __ IT

CERTAI},ILY

GREATER RTSK THAN WITHOUT THAT

19

MS. JACKSON:

20

NOTHl}JG FURTHER.

2t

THE COUR?: l',lR. KILGORE, YCUF. wITtJESS.

22

MR. KILGORE: JUDGE, WE __ WE,RE GOING TO BE HERE

23

WHILE. SO, IS

OKAY.

EOR

THEP.E ANY __

24

THE COURT: idE CAII COME BACK

25

MR. KILGORE: -- IS THERE ANY

TOMORROb].

!^JAY

THAT WE COULD HAVE

A

1

RESTROOM

BREAK? MS. MCCOY NEEDS TO GO TO THE

SURE.

2

THE COURT:

3

MR. KILGORE: THANK YOU.

4

THE COURT: TAKE TEN MINUTES.

5

WHEN YOU SAY

STOPPING

6

OKAY.

A WHILE,

II]HAT

AT EIVE NO MATTER

!,JHAT.

IS A WHILE?

7

MR. KILGORE:

8

THE COURT: WE,LL HAVE TO COME BACK

OKAY.

10

MR. KILGORE: OKAY. THANK

1l

TEN MINUTES

12

THE COURT: TEN M]NUTES.

TOMORROW

YOU.

?

(SHORT RECESS TAKEN

13

)

l4

THE COURT: MR. KILGORE, YOUR WITNESS.

15

MR. KILGORE: THANK YOU,

JUDGE.

CROSS EXAMTNATION

16

BY MR. KILGORE:

Q

r8

OKAY, DOCTOR NORMAN, LET

__ LET ME -- LET ME START

19

OUT, I WANT TO MAKE IT REAL CLEAR THAT WE

20

IS

THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT

21

IS

THAT YOU HAVE FORMED.

A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IOR ME, A

25

IN -- IN

SO, ]E YOU CAN GO BACK

22 23

WE,RE

AETERNOON.

9

17

BATHROOM.

SURE. AN EIGHT

KNOW EXACTLY WHAT

EORMING WHATEVER OPINIONS 1T

OVER THOSE

IN JUST A L]TTLE

PLEASE?

PAGE WiTH

R]DGEVIEW INSTITUTE, 83

IT

A FAX TRANSMISSION

FROM

__

I

Q

EIGHT PAGES FROM R]DGEVIEW?

2

A

YES.

3

Q

OKAY.

I

A

DATED TWO ONE OF

IT

SIXTEEN. AND THERE'S

ROUGHLY THIRTY

A PDE, THAT II]CLUDES A

5

ADDIT]ONAL PAGES.

6

TO CARI,OS RODRTGUEZ/ DATED DECEMBER TWENTY_SECOND,

7

EIETEE}i,

Q

OKAY.

9

A

EORWARDED

IT __ THAT VJAS, I'M

I,^JAS

l2

A

ONE EMAIL __

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Q

OKAY.

l1

A

__

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SORRY, ONE EMAIL?

YES.

COBB COUNTY SHERIEE'S OF'FICE ARREST AND BOOK]NG REPORT ON

MS. I"ICCOY. CRIMINAL

A

17

IN

WARRANT NUMBER 15_W_9551.

COBB COUNTY MAGISTRATE COURT DISCLOSURE STATEMENT

STATE OT GEORGIA

V.

SUSAN JANETTE I"ICCOY.

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Q

D]D YOU SAY A WHAT. A DISCLOSURE

20

A

IT SAYS,

2t

EEBRUARY

TWE}']TY_NINE, T!{EI'JTY S]XTEEN, TO SHARLA JACKSON.

Q

l8

TWENTY

EMAIL T'ROM PAUL CAMARILLO, DATED

1t

I6

LETTER

EROM DOCTOR KEV]}J RICHARDS.

8

10

!^iAS SEI.IT AS

STATEMENT?

COBB COUNTY MAG]STRATE COURII DISCLOSU]IE

STATEMENT.

22

Q

OKAY.

23

A

A

ONE PAGE MEMORANDUM TO VTC REYNOLDS FROM

__ IT'S

24

ILLEGIBLE S]GNATURE. IT SAYS PER THE REQUEST OE CH]EF ADA

25

GEAR.Y, REEERENCE TO WARRANT 15-W-9551.

A}I

DON

COBB COUNTY POLICE INCIDENT/INVESTIGATIVE REPORT CASE

1

2

NUMBEF. 15-a991 5'7

.

PAGES I

3

O

HOI,4 MANY

4

A

TWE\]TY-ONE.

5

O

OKAY

S

THAT

?

.

!{HAT ELSE?

6

IS

THE EXTENT OE THE

F]LE THAT ]

WAS SENT BY THE

A

THAT

9

Q

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING YOU F.EVIEWED?

10

A

THE TEXT MESSAGES

11

Q

OKAY.

7 8

-LATL.

OKAY, LET,S START I"JITH THE EIGHT PAGES EROM

12 13

RIDGEVIEW. LET ME __ LET

14

UNDERSTAI.ID WHAT

17 18

]T IS

THIS IS

l5 16

I"{E

A

LOOK

AT THAT

A},]

D SEE IE I

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT

__ AND YOU GOT IT D]RECTLY

FROM

R]DGEVIEI,!?

A

NO. I

WAS HAI']DED

IT

TODAY BY

--

I

EI

CAN READ THE

NAME CN THE ERONT.

19

Q

BETSEY

20

A

YES.

2l

O

OKAY.

MAN STON ?

ALL RIGHT, AllD TT'S NOT A -- TT'S NOT A

22 23

] JUST R.EVIE!^JED.

SUMMARY /

24

A

25

F.ELATE

OR ANYTHlNG OF THAT NATURE?

]T IS NOT. IT S

DISCHARGE

TO B,IDGEVIEW/

A

LOOKS

LIKE IT/S A __ ESSENTIALLY AS IT

O}.]E PAGE VERIFICATION OF

1

a

OKAY.

2

A

-_

3

O

ALL RIGHT, AND LE,T ME SEE THE THIRTY

HER BEING THERE ON EEBRUARY EIRST. PAGE

4

YOU HAD A THIRTY PAGE POL]CE REPORT? COBB COUNTY

5

YOU HAD A COBB COUNTY POL]CE

6

A

7

PAGES.

.IWENTY_ONE, SO THAT'

9 10

A

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O

OKAY

S

OKAY, LET __ LET

U

14

IS IT?

15

A

NO.

16

O

OKAY, BECAUSE

t7

SIDE,

WAS TWENTY -ON E

ME SEE THAT.

MEAN. LOOK. YOU

THAT

-_

-- IT'S

POLICE REPORTS

IN

NOT

AI.]Y CASE.

K]ND OF TELLS THE STORY FROM

ONE

' S THE POLIC]] S]DE?

18

A

THAT

l9

a

OR

20

A

THAT

2l

O

__

22

-_ I

EOR YOU TO GET POLICE

AND THAT

D

,

l3

NCOMMON

YOU SAI

D

SOMETH]NG THAT YOU READ AND RELIED ON?

ALL RIGHT, AND

12

YOU SAI

RE PORT ?

YEAH, ] SAID WAS __ I THINK I SAID IT

8

_.

--

A

IS

CORRECT.

IJI TNES

IS

RI GHT

S

SIDE

CCRP.ECT. ?

BUT YOU -.YOU'VE TESTIFIED FOR BOTH THE STATE AND THE DEFENSEI SO CEF.TA]NLY YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THOSE POLICE

24

ARETI'T ALUJAYS EXACTLY ACCURATE. THEY ARE

25

REPORT BECAUSE THEY'RE EROM ONE SIDE, NOT THE OTHER?

-_ THEY'Rtr A

RE PORTS

BIASED

AAT THSY BIASED?

1

2

LAW ENFORCEMENT OEEICER'

Q

J

CE,RTATNLY CENERATED THEY E-..'-....-.'-...'-...-....---nE,

YES' I

BY A

WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

OKAY.

AND SO ESSENTIALLY

4

IN

EORMING WHATEVER CONCLUSIONS

IT

TO

WHATEVER HAPPENS RE EORMING, YOU'RE HAVING TO ACCEPT

5

IS

6

I DON'T HAVE' BE IN THOSE POLICE REPORTS, WHICH YOU UNDERSTAND'

7

RIGHT?

8

HAVE THOSE.

YOU,

I DID

9

Q

10

DON,T

NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.

__

BUT WHATEVER OPINIONS YOU, RE COMING

t2

RELYING ON WHATEVER'S CONTA]NED

IN

13

ACCURATE OR INACCURATE THEY MAY

BE,

14

THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT

TO,

YOU,RE

THOSE REPORTS, HOWEVER OR EXAGGERATED, THAT'

S

__

?

II-J.

15

t6

o

OKAY

.

ALL R]GHT, SO THE REPORTS I UNDERSTAND. AND

17 18

I

OKAY.

BUT

11

HAVEN,T GOTTEN DISCOVERY' SO

I

YOU UNDERSTAND

THERE WITNESS STATEMENTS

I,D

l9

IN THE __

HAVE TO LOOK BACK

WERE

THAT TWENTY_ONE PAGE REPORT?

AT IT.

I DON'T __ I DON'T

KNOW

20

THAT THEY WERE SPECIE]CALLY STATEMENTS. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN

2t

WITNESS STATEMENTS THAT WERE SUMMARIZED

22

PORT]ONS OE THE ]NVESTIGAT]VE SUMMARY.

23

OKAY.

24

AND THEN

25

WHAT

I'VE

NOTICtrD

IN

SUPPLEMENTAL

IN __ IN TALKINC

ABOUT THIS,

IT IS THAT YOU REV]EWED, YOU DID NOT TELL US THAT

YOU

I

ACTUALLY REVIEWED ANY OTHER EMAIL COMMUN]CATIONS E'ROM MS.

2

TO A}IYONE

j

A

ELSE

?

OTHER THAN WHAT

4

AND POI,ICE REPORT THAT

5

CUT AND PASTED.

6

SORT OF HAD THE HEADER

]T

I

]S __ h]ITHIN THE INVESTIGATIVE

REPORT

REVIEWED, THERE WERE EMAILS THAT

WASN'T

_- ]T

WAS IJOT THE ACTUAL

AT THE TOP

EIIAIL

WERE

THAT

__

SURE.

7

A

8

I

MCCOY

-- BUT IT

USED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE A},]D WAS CL]T AND

PASTED WITHIN THE TEXT OE THAT INVESTIGATIVE RF]PORT.

l0

Q

OKAY,

l1

ALL R]GHT, SO IN EORMING WIIATEVER OP]II]ONS

t2

CONCLUSIONS YOU HAVE, YOU AGREE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN ACTUALLY SEEN

l3

ANY OF THE EPIAILS THAT ARE AT ISSUE

l4

RlGHT

IIi THEIR COMPLETE

A

NOT

l6

Q

OKAY.

AND

17

II\l THEIR

IE

COI'IPLETE EORM| NO.

THESE EMAILS WERE RATHER LENGTHY, OUITE

--

18

PAGES, AND THE

l9

JUST CERTAIN SENTENCES, OR CERTAIN WORDS, OR CERTAIN

20

STATEMENTS, YOU WOULD AGREE

2t

TIME, THAT

22

READER OF THE REPORT,

24 25

EORM,

?

t5

OF

OR

WHOEVER AUTHORED

--

YOU'

EEW

THE POLICE REPORT PULLED

VE BEEN DOING THIS A

CAN OBVIOUSLY BE EXTREMELY MISLEADINIG TO

ISN'T

A

LONG

-- TO

THE

THAT TRUE? YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL

THE

A

YES/ 1T

READER TO SEE

COULD

IT IN

OUT

__ IT

COULD,

YES. 1T

COULD SWAY THE

ONE WAY INSTEAD OE ANOTHER, tt

tt

1

OKAY.

Q

ALL RIGHT, SO ARE

2 3

YOU AWARE THAT

IN

THOSE REPORTS

THERE ARE NO DIRIiCT THREATS OF VIOLENCE?

4

A

THAT

5

o

OKAY.

IS

MY UNDERSTAND]NG, THAT

IN EMA]LS

ARE YOU AWARE THAT

6

]S

CORRECT.

THAT WE'RE TALK]NG ABOUT

EMAILS, IF

7

EROM THE EALL OF LAST YEAR, THAT MANY OF THESE

8

MOST OF THESE EMAILS, ACTUALLY WERE D]RECTED TO NUMEROUS

9

INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING THE D]STR]CT ATTORNEY OF COBB

10

THE CHIEE ASSISTAIIT DISTRICT ATTCRI{EY, A}"]D

11

]NDIV I

A

THAT

l3

Q

ALL R]GHT.

HCST OE OTHER

IS

CORRECT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT NONE OE THOSE OTHER

14

16

COUNTY,

DUALS ?

1?

t5

A

NOT

IND]VIDUALS EVER CAME UP HI]RE TO __ TO SEEK A

A

THAT

IS

I,dARRANT?

MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE WERE

A

EEW

t7

IND]V] DUALS THAT WERE CONCERNED, BUT NOT EVERYONE THAT WAS

l8

THE DISTRIBUTION LI ST.

l9

OKAY.

SO OBVIOUSLY/ YOU

20

__

YOU HAVE NOT

21

uA /E )la)T Ar\/TtrI^]trn A\lV MET)ICAL RECORDS WHAT-SOEVEB.. ANY

22

PSYCHIATRIC RECORDS,

;J 24 25

ON

A

NO. IF

HAPPY TO LOOK OKAY

AT .

FROM

I'1S

YOU WOULD

THEM.

.

__

MCCOY ?

PROVIDE THEM TO

ME, I

WOULD BE

YOU

YOU,

I 2

WHAT EVER

VE NOT REVIEWED ANY IN MAKING

CONCLUS]ON YOU HAVE, RI GHT

3

A

THAT

,+

O

ALL

IS

I,{HATEVER

?

CORRECT.

RTGHT.

SO, WE HAVE NO __ YOU DID NOT SEE THE EMAILS IN THEIR

5

6

ENTIRETY, YOU DID NOT SEE MEDICAL RECORDS, AND YOU HAVE

7

SEEN

A1'']

Y

PSYCH P.ECORDS, RIGHT?

8

A

THAT ISJ

o

Q

YOU, I I'J FACT,

l0

R]DGEV]EW TOR

A

CORRECT.

IS

A

THAT

12

o

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU

-- A

KNOW ONLY

PERIOD OF

l1

l3

NOT

]']ME,

THAT MS. MCCOY WAS IN

CORRECT?

CORRECT.

KI.IOW

T4

LOT OE

l5

ADD]CT ION ISSUES, THEY

t6

CORRECT ?

THAT R]DGEVIEW, I I\] FACT, DEALS b]ITH A

LOT OE ]SSUES. MENTAL ]LLNESSES, AS WELL

__

THEY DEAL WITH

AS

A VAF,]TY OE MAT!]ERS,

t7

THAT 1S CORRECT.

l8

AND YOU T,iOULD AGREE THAT }IOT EVERYBODY THAT GOES INTO

t9 20

RIDGEVIEI/i HAS

A

A

MENTA], ILLNESS?

I

WOULD HAVE TO

THAT

DISAGIIEE. IN

ORDER FOR TIIEM TO

2l

BE ITTED, THEI WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME DiAGNOSIS OF'

22

TO OBTAIN TREATMENT THERE.

i)

24

l5

Q

RECORD

ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S __ LET'S DO THIS. WHAT ABOUT SO}IEUNE

HAS DEPF.ESS]ON, OKAY? !.JHAT

IE

THEY SHOW UP AND THEY'RE

WHO

I

DEPRESSED? COULD THEY BE ITTED

TO

RIDGEVIEW EOR DEPRESS ION?

2

A

YES, DEPRESSION IS A

3

O

WHAT ABOUT AN:{IETY?

4

A

YES, AI]X]ETY IS A MEI.iTA], ILLNESS.

5

O

WHAT ABOUT

6

A

HOPELESSNESS

7

Q

YOU TALKED ABOUT

A

MENTAL

ILLNESS

.

FEELING OE HOPELESSNESS?

IS A

SYMPTOM OE ANOTHER MENTAL ]LLTIESS.

_- AND I

CLEAR.

WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

8

THAT ONE THING/ S REAL

9

NOT DIAGNOSII'IG HER I,{ITH ANYTHING, ARE

YOU HAVE NOT ACTUALLY

--

-_

YOU'RE

YOU?

l0

IJO, I AM NOT .

l1

OKAY

I2

THERE WERE SOME PHRASES THAT I,iERE TOSSED AROUND, AND

l3

.

ONE OE THOSE WAS RETRIBUTION STALKER, OR REVENGE STALKtrR?

THE COURT: RESENTEUL STALKER.

l4 l5

Q

(BY MR, K]LGORE)

16

A

THE JUDGE HAS

t7

Q

OKAY.

AND

18

IT

CATEGORY THAT YOU TR]ED TO

20

__

CERTAIIJ CASES INTO

21

THAT

22

AS

24

THAT RESENTFUL STALKER?

CORRECT, YES.

ALL THAT IS, IS THAT _- THAT IS "-UST SIMPLY A

t9

73

IS

IS

0

OKAY.

FIT

CERTAIIN

CORF,ECT.

i,{AY TO EURTHER DIAGNOSE, AND TREAT / AND

DEAL WITH, RIGHT?

THAT TS

YOU MIGHT TRY TO

?

A __ AS A

A

FlT __

CORP.ECT.

SAY THAT

1

_-

2

A

RESENTEUL.

-)

Q

OKAY.

AND

4 5

6

7 8

11

12 13

I BELIEVE

A

THAT

Q

OE

ENGAGED IN

OKAY.

SO

IE THAT'S

rllHAT

15

GOING ON, THEN THE GOAL WOULD BE

TO CAUSE PAIN.

A

RIGHT, CAUSE PAIN AND DlSCOMFORT TO

SOMEBODY ELSE

THROUGH THE .

Q

OKAY.

LET ME SEE THE LETTER YOU GOT EROM PAUL CAMARILLO, PLEASE.

16

A

YES, SIR.

11

Q

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND PAUL CAMARILLO YOU KNOW TO BE

18

DISTRICT ATTORNI]Y, RI

A __ AN ASSISTANT

GHT ?

20

A

BqSLD ON THAT __

21

Q

OKAY.

22

A

--

11

Q

ATT, RTCHT.

25

REAL HALLMARK

IS A __ ]E -- IE THAT PERSON IS

l5

1,l

A

RESENTFUL STALKING, THAT 1S CORRECT.

14

l9

WHAT YOU SA]D WAS

THAT, WAS THE GOAL IS TO CAUSE PAIN.

9

l0

SAY THAT PHRASE AGAIN?

YES.

AND YOU WOULD ACREE THAT WHAT !.JAS BEING CONVEYED PAUL CAMARI.LLO tsY MS. MCCOY WAS THAT 92

__

TO

WHAT SHE WAS REQUESTING

1

HER WAS SHE IdANTED TO SEE IE OUR OEFICE COULD HELP HER CHANGE

2

LET BOI]D CO}'IDlTIONS SO THAT SHE COULD GO BACK I I]TO HER HOUSE.

J

ME

SHOW YOU THAT.

IS

4

A

THAT

5

Q

SHE WANTED TO SEE

6

CORRECT.

THE BOND CONDITIONS SO

IE

OUR OFE'ICE COULD HELP HER CHANGE

SHE COULD

GO BACK ]NTO HER HOUSE?

7

CORRECT.

8

av 7\-/

9

SO AS EAR AS THE DA'S OEFICE'S COMMUNICAT]ON,

10

AP PEARS

11

INTO !IER

THAT WHAT HER CONCERN WAS, WAS ACTUALLY GETTING BACK HOUSE?

12

A

BASED ON

13

o

OKAY.

THERE'

14

IT

THIS EMAIL, THAT ]S

CORRECT

S NOTHING II.i THAT PARTICULAR -_ IN

THAT

15

PART]CULAR EMA]L THERE'S NOTHING TO SUGGEST AN INTENT OR DESIRE

16

TO CAUSE PAIN

A

t7

TO

ANYBODY, RI

NOT IN THIS

GHT ?

EtlAIL/

NO.

l8

OKAY.

19

AND OE THE MATER]ALS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO REVIEW,

20

DID __ DID _. DID YOU SEE A

2l

WAS

22

EIVE

A

THIS

COURT THAT

PROTECTIVE ORDER ORDER]NG THAT MS. MCCOY STAY

HLTNDRED YARDS AWAY TROT1

I DlD

23

SAI,.J REF'EP.E\ICE 25

COURT ORDER FROM

Q

INOT SEE THE

TO THAT ORDER

ALL RIGHT.

AT

LEAST

MR. PARIS?

SPECIFIC ORDEP. FPOI.,I THE COUF.T. ]

IN A

NUMBER OE THE DOCUMENTS

AND YOU HAD SOME TELEPHONE COMMUNICATIONS !'JITH

1

2

SAID,

COUNSEL, YOU

RIGHT

?

J

A

WITH MS. JACKSON? YES.

4

Q

ALL RIGHT.

LIKE ANY CASE, THE LAWYER'S GOT TO GET YOU UP

5

6

SPEED, TELL YOU

7

A

8

O

!^IHAT,

S GO]NG ON,

SO, DID SHE TELL

YOU THAT ON JANUARY THE NINETEENTH,

THOUSAND S]XTEEN, THAT

10

OF

1l

REMOVE D EROM

HER

THIS LADY WAS, BY COURT

IE

A

I DON'T

13

Q

WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT?

14

A

1

i6

RECALL

THAT WAS STATED OR NOT.

WAS AWARE THAT SHE WAS NOT

AT HER OWN HOUSE.

BASED

ON THIS COMMUNICATION.

Q

OKAY. WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT WAS THE HOME THAT SHE HAS

17 18

LIVED IN W]TH HER HUSBAND DURING THE ENTIRE TERM OE

19

MARR]AGE,

]NCLUDTNG THE BIRTH AND RAISING

20

A

I

21

O

OKAY.

HER

ALL OE HER CH]LDREN?

WAS NOT.

YOU'LL __ WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY

22 23

ORDER,

HOME ?

t2

15

RIGHT?

ALL RIGHT.

g TWO

TO

IlOMtr BELONGING TO IIER ItUSBAND'S PARENTS?

24

A

I

25

O

WF',RF,

ViAS NOT.

YOI] AWARE THAT SHE

IS THE PR]MARY

CAREGIVER

THE

HOI.{E TO THE YOUNG CHILDREN r/.]HO SHE HAS TO GET

I

INSIDE OF THAT

?

READY I'OR SCHOOL, AND EEED, AND TAKE CARE OF?

A

NO, ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OE I,{HAT WAS ]N THE EMA]L

4

MS. JACKSON EROM MR. CAMAR]LLO, THAT

5

CARING EOR HER

OKAY,

6 7

l0

TO GET BACK

TO

ILDREN

LA/ANTEI)

TO

GET BACK TO CAR]NG FOR HER

-_

CARII"]G

BE

THE

EOR HER CHTLDREN.

AI.ID YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THAT EXPRESS I ON,

8

9

CH

SHE WANTED

TO

SENT]IIENT, AT LEAST WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, APPEARED GOAL, TO GET BACK

A

11

A

A

13

HER

HC]VJE?

PORT]ON OF THE GOAL. YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

[]ELL.

t2

II]

TO

vtr<

THAT'

S

WHAT SHE TALKED TO PAUL CAMAR]LLO ABOUT.

.Tu.!rn. e __

BUT

I

THOUGHT YOUR QUEST]OI.I I,{AS

l4

RELATED TO JUST 'IAK]I'JG CARE OF THE CHILDREN.

YES, TT'S TO

l5

IN

SHE SIIATED, TO

t6

WITH HER HUSBAND AND CH]LDREN.

t7

ALL RIGHT.

t8

D]D -- ]N -- ]N REV]ET{ING

THE HOME SO THAT SHE CAI,.]

tq

SCMETH]NG FROM

20

ITTED TO RI DGEVIEW?

A

I DID NOT.

?z

O

I^JELL,

]N

SPEAKII,]G TO

THE

HAVE

-- AS

MATERIALS, lOU

BE

GOT

THE DATII THAT SHE

WAS

MS. JACKSON. DID __ DID SIIE TELL

YOU THAT TWO DAYS __ TWO DAYS AFTER SHE WAS RE}4OVED EROM HER HOME

25

W]TH HER

R]DGEVIEW. DO YOU

)l 23

BE

GE'f

BY COURT ORDER, THAT SHE WENT IIJTO R]DGEVIEW HOSP]TAL?

I I{AS

INTORMED THAT SHE, WENT INTO RI DGEVI EV,] HOS PITAL

ICH IS THE

DATE HERE ON

1

I

DO NOT KNOI/i THE

2

BUT THE RIDGEVIE!.i VERIFICATION LETTER,

3

RIDGEVTEW HOSPITAL' SPECIEIC DATES THAT SHE WENT INTO

4

I

Q

WHO HAS NEVER BEEN WANT YOU TO CONSIDER SOMEONE MEMBER OE THE STATE BAR OE

5

CONVICTED OF

A CRIME, WHO IS A

6

GEORGIA. WHO

IS A

7

W]TH HER HUSBAND,

8

SHE/S ORDERED OUT OE THAT HOME, AND SHE,S EORCED TO LEAVE

o

HOMEIANDESSENTIALLYBECOMEHOMELESS,FLNDSOMEOTHERPLACETo

MOTHER, WHO

IN A

VERY

IS RAISING CHILDREN IN

HER

HOME

NEIGHBORHOOD' ANI)

NICE, VERY NICE

THAT

T BE THERE IN

10

LIVE, AND I

11

MORNING TO GET HER

12

THEM EED, GET THE]B LUNCHES READYT GET THEM TO SCHOOL, SHE

13

CAN'T BE THERE IN HER

14

PICK THEM UP AT SCHOOL AND TAKE THEM HOME TO CARE TOR THEM,

l5

GET THEM READY EOR THE]R BALL GAMES,

16

THTS SAME INDIVIDUAL CAN'T DO ANY OE THAT,

17

CONSIDER THAT

18

HEAR]NG WHERE]N SHE WAS ACCUSED OE THREATENING POLITICALLY

l9

CONNI]C'.t

L]D

21

CERTA]NLY

22

DEPRESSED?

24 25

KIDS UP. TO HELP GET THEM DRESSED, TO

HOME TO

__ TO SEE

I

THEM OEE THE

l DUA-LS.

GET

BUS, OR

TO

TO

WANT YOU TO CONSIDER

I

WANT YOU TO

TH]S INDIVIDUAL IS HUM]LIATED PUBL]CLY BY

D1V

THE

A

OKAY?

NOW, WHAT THAT INFORMATION, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THAT

20

23

-LN

WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT SHE CAN,

A

IS A REC]PE FOR A

]T IS

WOMAN

IT IS -- I

IN

THAT POSIT]ON TO

WOULD AGRtrtr THAT

IS A

BE

VtrT]Y

STRESSFUL SITUATlON FOR ANYONE. MALE OR FEMALE.

O

THAT'S THE __ THAT'S THE KIND OE SITUATION THAT WILL

1

causr aNxrETY, ISN'T IT?

2

A

IT ]S.

3

O

OKAY.

AND DON'T YOU AGREE THAT THAT, S EXACTLY THE KIND

4

TO HAVE TO SEEK TREATMENT AT

5

SITUATION THAT MIGHT LEAD

6

APLACELIKERIDGEVIEI/i,THATTREATSDEPRESS]ONANDANXIETY?

7

A

YES.

8

O

SO

9

SOMEONE

LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE

RECEIVED SOME EMAIL DOCUMENTS,

TODAY THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HAD

11

THESE?

A

YES, ]T ]S.

13

Q

OKAY.

WE LOOKED

AT.

TODAY

YOU

OKAY. AND YOU HAD TO __ IS

10

12

A

CHANCE TO TAKE

A

LOOK AT

AND WERE YOU LED TO BELIEVE THAT THESE EMA]LS

14

OE

WERE

l5

SENT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO SHE HAD PREVTOUSLY BEEN ORDERED

16



17

A

NOT

?

I THINK. IE ]

RECALL THE TESTIMONY AND THE QUESTIONS,

18

IT

19

ERIEND OF PERHAPS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SHE WAS TOLD NOT

20

HAVE WITH.

21.

HAD TO DO WITH.

Q

NOWHERE )A 25

SOMEONE

NEXT

TO, OR CLOSE TO,

A

IN

HERE

YOU WOULD AGREE

IN ALL

OE THESE COMMUNICATlONS,

AT ALL, IS THERE ANY SUGGESTION

TF1AT THtr

RECiPItrNT OE THIS EMAIL ANYONE ELSE ON HER BEHALF? A

TO

OKAY.

WEiL,

22

]S TH]S

TIJA_ TS CODDFCT.

Q

OKAY. HO!^JEVER, THE

2 3

BACK ]}.JTO HER

_-

A

THEY DO.

5

Q

OKAY.

7

-TUST

THE

_-

THE EMAILS DO MENTION GETTING

HER HOME?

4

6

--

LIKE

I,ITHEN

SI]E TALKED ABOUT WITH PAUL CAMARILLO,

THE ASSISTANT DTSTRICT ATTORNEY, R]GHT?

8

A

THAT

]S

9

Q

THE VERY SITUATION THAT COINCIDED I,{ITH]N TWO DAYS

CORRECT.

SIIE'S I}J -_ IN __ HAS TO

10

HER BEING REMOVED FROM HER HOME, THAT

1l

BE PUT IN F.IDGEVIEW, RIGHT, REMOVAL EROM HER

A

12 IJ

THAT/

S

HOME?

THAT'S BASED ON !,iHAT YOU'RE TELLING HOW

__

OF

I,IE

/ YES, ]E

YES.

t+

Q

OKAY.

l5

A

YES.

t6

Q

ALL R]GHT,

WOULD YOU AGREE

-_ AND I'M

THEN, THAT WHAT WE'RE

GOING TO GO STRAIGHT

t7

TALK]NG ABOUT HERE, THAT

l8

-_

19

PAUL CAMAF.ILLO, AND THESE COMMUNICATIONS, YOU !'JOULD AGREE

20

THERE'S

2l

CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING BACK

FROM

STRAIGHT EROM THE STATE'S PETITION. OKAY? THE WiTH

A

COMMOI] THEME HERE BETWEEN

22

A

I

2i

Q

THERE

IN

THOSE, AND THAT

1S,

SHE'S

HER HOME?

AGREE.

IS,

IIOWEVER, NO SUGGESTION

IN EITHER

THE

24

COMMU}JICATION WITH PAUL CAMARILLO, OR THOSE COMMUNICATIONS'

25

THATSHEIS-_IJASAI{INTENTTOCAI]SEPAINTOSOMEBODY'EVLN

I

O

ALL RIGHT.

2

A

THE

J

O

ALL RIGHT.

COMMI SS IONER

OE COBB

WOULD BE

4

A

COUNTY.

PERSON I,"JHO WOULD, YOU KNOW. BE

5

AT MEETINGS, SUCH AS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. OBVlOUSLY THE

6

COMMISSIONER WOULD BE

7

MEET]NG, Rl

8

A

AT THE

COBB COUNTY COMMISS]ONER'S

GHT ?

1

WOULD HOPE

SO.

YES.

OKAY.

9

AND YOU WOULD AGREE

10

ICAT IONS

,

THOSE EMAILS,

IN

TIOWHERE

IS THE _-

IN

THOSE

THE AUTHOR OE THOSE

l1

COMMLIN

12

EMA]LS REQUESTING THAT THE RECIPIEI'.]T, THAT BEING

13

COMMISSIONER, MAKE ANY PHONE CALL ON HER BEHALE?

THE

14

A

NO.

15

O

SEND ANY EMAIL ON HER BEHALT?

l6

A

NO.

t7

Q

AND THE EMA]L THAT YOU GOT EROI.,I PAUL CAMARILLO

18

SAME

19

OLTT

THING; I MEAN, SHE _- SHE

WASN,

T

IS

THE

DIRECTING HIM TO REACH

AND COIiTACT ANYBODY ON HER BEHALE, !.1AS SHE?

20

2l

OKAY

22

AND AGAIN, THE

.

__

THE TERM THAT WE WERE USING OI]

DIRECT, THE TERM RESENTFUL -_

P'ESEI\TTEUL

24

-- THAT IS JUST A CATEGORY.

YOU/F.E NOT

25

SOME SORT OF D]AGNOSlS, RIGHT? 100

YOUR

STALKER, AGAIN/ THAT ]S

-_

YOU' Rtr }JOT MAKING

I

A

T]IAT IS

2

O

AIT PTr:HT

CORPECT.

MR. KILGORE: JUDGE, I WILL TELL YOU THAT

-l

I

1

NORMAN AND

5

ACTUALLY HAVE SHORTENED THIS UP QUITE

HAVE WORKED TOGETHER MANY TIMES, AND THAT MAY

A BIT.

6

THE COURT: OKAY, RtrDIRECT? A}.IY REDIR,ECT?

7

MS. JACKSON:

YES.

REDIRECT EXAMINAT ION

8

I

DOCTOR

BY MS. JACKSON:

Q

10

BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OE THE DOCUMENTS AND THE EACTS

l1

THAT HE TOLD YOU, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ANY HOSPITALIZATION

12

THIS

13

PERSON ?

A

] DON'T

KNOVi THAT

__ I MEAN, I -_ I _- I HAVEN'T __

l4

MS. MCCOY. I

15

HAS COMPETENT EORENSIC TRAINING, DO AN EVAI,UATION, AND

16

THAT BE PROVIDED TO SOME OTHER OUTSIDE PARTY SO THAT

17

CAI] ASSESS THAT RI SK AND IIAKE THAT

]F

t8

WOULD !.ECOMMEND THAT

SOMEBODY HAS

THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS

RECOMME}I DAT

RECEIVING MENTA]- HEA].TH 'lREATMENT. AS

20

HEARTEDLY AGREE h]]TH THAT.

Q __

AND

II']

A

WOL]LDN'T YOI] BE BtrYOND THEF.APY AND MED]CATION

25

--

TI.{AT

.

SHOULD BE

i

WHOLE

ILLNESS? FOR EXAMPLE, YOU _-

23

HAVE SOME SERIOUS I"IENTAL

THE

A _-

ORDER TO ATTEND P.JDGEVIE!^i, I{OULDN'T YOU HAVE

TO BE

A

SEEN

SOMEONE

PSYCHIATR]ST

22

)4

I OI{

A MENTAL ILLNESS. THEY

19

2.1

EOR

THE

_-

THAT

LEVEL OF HOSPITALIZAT]OI'J

IS

IS -- THAT IS

RESERVED FOR 101

A

AT

HOME?

CORRECT

I}]

THAT THE

SEVERITY OF ILL\]ESS

I

THAT REQUIRES HOSPITAL]ZATION, S]MILAR TO

)

YOU DOIJ'T GET

l

YOU CAN HAVE PNEUMONIA/ YET NOT BE

4

HAVE DEPRESS]ON, YET NOT BE

5

SOP]EONE

6

REQU]RES HOSP]TALIZATION.

IS IN

Q

7

AND

8

__

9

SOMEONE WHO

_-

A

MEDICAL ILLNESS.

YOU CAI.J HAVE WHAT THEY CALT WALKING PITEUMOI{IA.

THE HOSPITAL,

IN TALK]NG _-

IN

THE

IN

THE HOSP]TAL. YOU

CAN

HOSP]TAL. IE iT __ ]E

]T ]S OF THE SEVERITY

SPEAKING OF THE

_-

THAT USUALLY

YOU TALKED ABOUT

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REVENGE]FUL STALKEP., WHEN YOU HAVE

]S

ENGAGING

IN TH]S

TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, AND

YOU

l0

TALKED ABOUT THEI'4 I^IANTING TO COMMIT PAIN AND DISCOMEOF,T,

1l

COULDN'T THAT PA]I'J AND D]SCOMFORT INCLUDE MAKING SOMEONE EEEL

12

UNCOMEORTABLEI OR MAKING SOMEONE FEEI' E'EARFUL THAT THEY'RE

13

GOING TO BE ED?

A

t4

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S USUALLY THE TYPICAL BEHAVIOR.

__ TO VIOLENCE,

t5

THE TYPICAL BEHAV]OR DOES I.]OT USUALLY RISE TO

16

BUT

t7

ONGOING

l8

TRADIT]ON

t9

S]TUA],ION; WELL, I,M GO]NG TO GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

]T CAN. TT TS TO JUST TO CAUSE DISCOMFORT BAS]S. AS LONG AS THEY IS,

FOR THEM OI'I AN

HAVE DISCOMEORT

THEY HAVE DISCOMEORT

]I.I

__

THE

THETR MIIID OVER THE

20

AND SO THAT ]NCLUDES SENDII{G MESSAGES, YOU KNOW, IN

21

UllUSIJAI,. OUTSIDE OE BUSINESS HOURS, SE}JDTNG OUT TEXT }IESSAGES

22

AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORN]NG,

2l

YOL]'P.E ALWAYS COING TO

2.4

II.]G THEI'I, THAT YOU'RE GO]NG TO BE SEEING THEM ViHEN YOLI

25

KNOW THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY WITH YOU?

OR LETTING SOMEONE KNOh] THAT

Btr THERE, THAT

YOU' RE COINC TO PE

1

A

YES.

2

Q

Al'l

D !'JHEN YOU LOOKED AT THOSE TEXT MESSAGES,

r.^lAS

IT

3

CLEAR TO YOU THAT THE DEEEIJDANT WOULD BE W]LLII.]G TO ENGAGE IN

4

CERTAIN BEHAVIORS

A

5

SHE DID}J'T GET WHAT SHE WANTED?

YES, IN THAT

X, I'M

GET

7

THAT

8

I'{EETINGS UNTIL

_-

Q

THERE WAS

A

STATEMENT THAT

IE I

FROM THAT STANDPOII']T,

]'M

BACK

IN

I'{Y

IT'S I'M HOME.

__

AND WOULD THAT BE

GOING TO GO TO THE

COULD THAT BE CONS]DERED ONE OE

10

THOSE ACTS WHERE THE MEANS OT CAUSING DISCOMFORT TO

ll

F.ECIPIE}JT CF THOSE TE}:T MESSAGES?

A

t2

IT COULD. AT THE IS

THAT THIS

__ TO THE

END OF THE DAY. THE THEOF,Y ON THE

]S AN OBSESSION. THIS IS

13

STALKER

14

STUCK

l5

HAVE

16

E]THER, A, THE OBSESSION GOES AWAY, OR THEY FEEL THEY

17

CAUSED ENOUGH

18

]N THEIR HEAD, AND IT

A

HARD TIME ABOUT THINKING ABOUT ANYTHING

PAIN T'O STOP IT

HAVE

THE

LEE. ISN'T IT ALSO POSSIBLE

20

THE DEFE}JDANT COULD HAVE DONE THAT AS

21

SOMEBODY THAT WAS

22

EACT THAT SHE

23

PARISI IS TIIAT A

A

WOULD

I

DON,T

__

THE

BE RELAYED TO M]CHAEL

COI-I}ION STI].ATEGY

MR. KILGORE: JUDGE,

THAT

WAY OE GETT]NG TO

M]CHAEL PARIS/ CIRCLE SO THAT THE

-_ HE WAS COI\]TACTED

UNDEF.STAND __

THEY

ELSE, UNT]L

A\]D YOU TEST]E]ED ABOUT THE THAT

I}I

.

THEMSELVES.

DEFENDANT MADE WITH CHAIRMAN

25

SOMETH]I.IG THAT'S

LOOPS OVER AND OVER AGAII,I

19

24

DON,T

GOING TO CONT]NUE TO SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS/ AND

6

I

iF

-- I

DOIVT

EVEN

MS.

I 2

ART EULLY

JACKSON:

]

COULD PROBABLY ASK THAT QUESTIOI] MORE

.

THE COURT: OKAY, GO AHEAD AND RE_ASK 4

IS IT _- IS IT __

(BY MS, JACKSON)

Q

IT,

PLEASF].

BASED ON YOUR

IT BE A

5

REVIEI,.I OF THE TEXT MESSAGES AND THE FACTS, !,iOULD

6

STRATEGY OF THE REVENGE TYPE STALKER TO CO|ITACT SOIIEOIJE I l:,J THE

7

TARGET'

S CTRCLE AS A

-_

MR. KILGORE: HOLD ON, I'M GOING TO OBJECT TO THAT.

8

9

I'IEANS OE GETTING BACK

I'M

THAT. HlS

GOING TO OBJECT TO

10

HAD I\TOT DIAGNOSED HER AS

l1

HIS TESTIMONY. SO .-

12

DOWN

13

OBJECT TO THAT.

THAT ROAD

IS

A

TESTIMONY WAS THAT HE

RESEI'JTEUL

STALKER. THAT

COMPLETELY

IRRELEVANT. I'M GOING

l''1S. JACKSON: LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

15

THE COURT: YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND REPHRASE oNE

16

TIME.

t7

Q

(BY I"1S. JACKSON) GIVF]II THAT

--

GIVEN THAT THE

20

EI.IGAGI\IG

21

TOULD

IN

_-

25

MORE

OI{E MORE TII.1E, TAKE

BEHAV]OR THAT

WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DEFENDANT

IS

CoI\]S]STENT WITH BEHAVIoP. THAT

BE SII{ILAR TO A REVE},IGEFUL TYPE STALKER, I.5 I? ONE

OE

THOSE BEHAVIORS COMMONLY TO WHEN THEY CAN'T REACH THE PARTICULAR TARGET THAT THEY' RE OBSESS]NG

24

TO

THREE.

l9

22

WAS

SO AI{Y OTHER OPINTON DOWN THAT __

l,+

18

COMMO},I

SOI.,IEONE

W]TH, TO TRY TO

REACH

THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO THEM AS PART OE THE]R CIRCIE'? YES.

1

2

Q ORIGINAL

AND TRY TO USE THEM AS AN OBJECT TO GET BACK AT THE TARGET

?

J

4

MS.

5

THE COURT:

6

NOTH]NG EURTHER.

JACKSON

ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU CAN STEP DOWN, THANK

YOU.

7

THE

8

THE COURT:

9

MS.

MAY

WI TNES S

I BE EXCUSED,

CAN HE BE EREE TO

I

JACKSON

YOUR HONOR?

GO? IS HE EREE TO

GO?

HAVE NO EURTHER QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR. HAVE A NICE

10

THE COURT:

11

THE WITNESS

12

THE COURT:

13

MS. JACKSON: NO

l4

THE COURT: MR. KILGORE, WHO.S YOUR EIRST WITNESS?

15

MR. K]LGORE: WE,RE NOT GOING TO CALL ANYBODY,

16

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, SO

17 18

l9

THANK YOU. WHO'

S

YOUR NEXT WITNESS.

FURTHER WITNESSES EOR THE STATE.

]

DON,

T BELIEVE

JUDGE.

THERE,

S

ANY

NEED FOR ANY REBUTTAL h]ITNESSES. CLOSING ARGUMENTS.

OPEN,

IE

IT,S THE

STATE,

S MOTION; YOU CAN

YOU WANT.

20

MS. JACKSON: I' LL

21

THE COURT: OKAY.

22

MR. KILGORE.

23

MR. KILGORtr: THANK YOU,

CLOSE.

(WHEREUPON, ARGUMENT 25

EVENING.

JUDGtr.

!{AS PRESENTED BY MR. K]LGORE

THE COURT ON BEHALF OF THE DEEENDANT. 105

)

TO

I

THE COURT:

2

MS

. JACKSON:

JACKSON.

THANK YOU, YOUR HOt'loR.

(WHEREUPON, ARGUMENT WAS PRESENTED BY

J

4

MS.

THE COURT ON BEHAI,E OI- THE STATE. THE COUF,T; WELL,

5

I

I,M

OFE

7

RIICALL SITTING HERE. BUT

8

AND

9

REVIEW THE LANGUAGE THAT

10

1l

i,^JHEN

I

WENT A},JD GOT

A

I

MS

.

MCCOY

GAVE HER SOME

A

I

ON

I SHMEI'IT S,

I

AT THE END OF

COULD

THAT

I

TOLD HER; ONE !^iAS. THE

PROBLEMS WE LAWYERS

13

NO LANGUAGE CLEAR ENOUGH. SPEC]TIC ENOLTGH, DETATLED

t4

ENOUGH, THAT T,4]ILL COVER EVERY INCIDENT.

]

WEI]T

__ I

WE HAVE

AS LAWYERS, IS THAT THEFE'S

12

15

LEFT

BOND.

COUPLE THINGS THAT

_-

STATE]D

I

A BOND. AND I

COPY OE THE TRANSCRIPT SO

HEARING WHEF.E SHE GOT

A

)

GO]NG TO PICK UP !.JHERE

ACTUALLY GRANTED

6

MS. JACKSON TO

WEIiT ON TO TELL HER THAT

I/M NOT INTO

l6

SPLITT]NG HAIRS, I'M NOT GOING TO DO ANY ROUNDABOUT, THIRD

17

PARTY .

l8

:NTO SHOWMANSHIP,

19

GOING '1'O TLTLERATE ANY, WASN'T GOING TO DANCE

20

THE HEAD OF

21

I

22

I DON'T

SEE ANY LOOPHOLES

GRAN DSTANDI

IN THIS,

WASN'T

I.]G, DlDN'T EXPECT ANY, WASN'T

THIS CASE

ON

A PIN.

ALSO TOLD HER THAT

IF

THERE'S

VlOLAT]ON, SHE COULD GO BACK INTO

2i

T

24

A}]YTHING, AND

25

NEEDED TO AB]DE BY THE

A HINT OF ANY

CUSTODY.

ADI',IONISHED HEP. TO TALK TO HEP. LAWYEF.S BEEORE DOINC

I

WASN'T COING TO SPLIT HAIRS, THAT

SHE

SPIRIT OF THE COND]T]ONS, AND WHEN 106

I

]N

2

DECISTONS, AND SHE ACKNObILEDGED THAT WITH

DOUBT. TALK TO YOUR LAWYERS BEFORE MAKING ANY

AND HERE

J

] AM FINDING

MYSELE DANCING THIS CASE ON THE

A PIN. SPLITTING HAIRS

4

HEAD OE

5

I,14 NOT GOl},]G TO

TOLEP.ATE

A YES, SIR.

LOOK]NG EOR LOOPHOLES, AND

]T.

I E]ND THERE'S NO REASON FOR HER TO HAVE

6

TEXTED MR.

7

LEE,

8

IIITO HER HOME. IE THAT WAS OMITTED, I DON'T THINK WE'D

9

HIIRE TODAY. BUT THAT

l0

PART]CULARLY hIITH THE INEORMATION ABOUT GETTII,]G BACK

IN

AND OE' ITSELF

IS

OE' CONCERN TO ME.

PRETR]AL SERVICES DOESN'T HAVE THE MEDICATIOI..I

l1

EVALUATION. APPARENTLY BY HER

t2

THAT SHE

l3

SI]E'S NOT

14

MEDICATION, SO THE LOI]G AND THE SHORT OE

l5

TO REVOKE HER

16

IE

SHOI"JS

OI,,]N REPORT

THE DA' S OEEICE

UP TO. W]THOUT HF]R LAWYERS PRESENT, THAT

COI4PLYING

-.

OP. DOESN'T

__ ISN'T

O}J ANY

IT IS, I'M

GOING

BOND.

YOU'RE GOING TO

I WILL TELL

F]LE

EOR

A

BOND CO},]SIDERATION IN

I

NEED SOME SUBSTAI.JTIAL

t1

THE EUTURE,

l8

I4EDICAL IIJEORMATIOI.i ABOL]T WHAT'S GOING OI{ b]ITH HER AND

l9

CASE BEFORE

20

ll

BE

I'LL

YOU THAT

CONS] DER

A

BOND.

THAT'S MY DECISION. (CONCLUSION OE BOND REVOCATION HEARII\lG.

)2 23

)4 25 107

)

HEP.

CERTIFICATE

1

2 J A

GEORGIA

5

COBB COUNTY

6

I

HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE FOLLOWING HEARING WAS TAKEN

DOWN

7

AS STATED IN THE CAPT]ON, AND THE QUESTIONS AND THE

8

THERETO WERE REDUCED TO TYPEWRITING UNDER MY DIRECT]ON; THAT

9

THE FOREGOING PAGES

3

THROUGH

'7 /'(// /

CORRECT TRANSCRfPT OF THE EVIDENCE GIVEN BY

11

SAID HEARING; AND I

t2

COUNSEL TO THE PARTIES

13

EMPLOY OF COUNSEL EOR ANY OE

t4

INTERESTED

IN

EURTHER CERTIEY THAT

IN

A

REPRESENT

10

I

THE CASE, AM NOT

SAID PARTIES;

ANSWERS

TRUE AND

SAID WITNESSES

AM NOT

KIN

IN

REGULAR

THE

NOR AM

UPON

OR

I IN

ANYWISE

THE RESULT OE SAID CASE.

15 16

!./ /'/

18

THIS, THF

/

I,

1

,

DAY OF

19

20 21

'. r

I

I

22

G.

2f

ROBERT

1A

CERT]F]ED COURT

25

(B-407

)

HALVORSON REPORTER

2016.